Does Obama love America- Discussion at Volokh Conspiracy

Posted By Uncle Jimbo

Jim Lindgren links to my post about McCain's captivity and loyalty and Obama's. He agrees with me that McCain earned his character stripes, but disagrees that Obama dislikes America.

Accordingly, I found this discussion by Uncle Jimbo at Blackfive (tip to Instapundit) half wrong:

None who have served, well none with more than 4 months in the motor pool, wonder what John McCain proved to us. We know that a man who would refuse to be released ahead of others and allow the enemy a propaganda victory definitely understands and stays true to those three pillars [Duty, Honor, and Country]. The clowns on the left toss out the straw man that he learned nothing about foreign policy there. Well I disagree, he learned at least one thing. Our enemies are evil, ruthless bastards and they do not play by the same rules. Barack Obama believes America is evil and ruthless and needs the cleansing only he can lightwork.

Let's compare the two:

John McCain was so loyal to the men he was imprisoned with he endured torture on their behalf.

Barack Obama associates with those who can help his career, and throws them right under the bus when they become inconvenient to his aspirations.

That single issue of character matters more than all the others combined. You can trust John McCain. You can trust Barack Obama to use you as a stepping stone. . . .

Obama is a feather blowing in the political breeze. McCain is a rock.

I think it’s fair to say that John McCain understands evil in a way that Barack Obama has not yet shown that he does. 

But I think it a grave error to say that Obama “believes America is evil and ruthless and needs the cleansing only he can lightwork.” I think that Barack Obama believes that, on balance, the United States is the best country in the world. (It is interesting, nonetheless, how often over the years his expressions of pride in America have been tied to personal gratitude for the country that allowed his career to blossom.) I think that Obama sees “America’s cup” as two-thirds full, but wants to focus on its being one-third empty – as I would expect any critic to do.

I think that is a fair criticism if you take Obama at his words, I don't. I think he believes the hype that America needs him to heal us and then to extend that to the rest of the world. I think he shares, to a lesser extent, his wife's hatred of white America and that he would only accept America's basic decency once he has helped us atone for our sins.

Obama has yet to show that he has a single core value, belief or relationship that is more important to him than his own goals. He has known for far too long that he was our political and moral savior and is willing to do or say whatever it takes to gain his deserved position, as our guiding light. Well I prefer character to well-camouflaged, but deep-seated, personal ambition.

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Does Obama love America- Discussion at Volokh Conspiracy

Jim Lindgren links to my post about McCain's captivity and loyalty and Obama's. He agrees with me that McCain earned his character stripes, but disagrees that Obama dislikes America.

Accordingly, I found this discussion by Uncle Jimbo at Blackfive (tip to Instapundit) half wrong:

None who have served, well none with more than 4 months in the motor pool, wonder what John McCain proved to us. We know that a man who would refuse to be released ahead of others and allow the enemy a propaganda victory definitely understands and stays true to those three pillars [Duty, Honor, and Country]. The clowns on the left toss out the straw man that he learned nothing about foreign policy there. Well I disagree, he learned at least one thing. Our enemies are evil, ruthless bastards and they do not play by the same rules. Barack Obama believes America is evil and ruthless and needs the cleansing only he can lightwork.

Let's compare the two:

John McCain was so loyal to the men he was imprisoned with he endured torture on their behalf.

Barack Obama associates with those who can help his career, and throws them right under the bus when they become inconvenient to his aspirations.

That single issue of character matters more than all the others combined. You can trust John McCain. You can trust Barack Obama to use you as a stepping stone. . . .

Obama is a feather blowing in the political breeze. McCain is a rock.

I think it’s fair to say that John McCain understands evil in a way that Barack Obama has not yet shown that he does. 

But I think it a grave error to say that Obama “believes America is evil and ruthless and needs the cleansing only he can lightwork.” I think that Barack Obama believes that, on balance, the United States is the best country in the world. (It is interesting, nonetheless, how often over the years his expressions of pride in America have been tied to personal gratitude for the country that allowed his career to blossom.) I think that Obama sees “America’s cup” as two-thirds full, but wants to focus on its being one-third empty – as I would expect any critic to do.

I think that is a fair criticism if you take Obama at his words, I don't. I think he believes the hype that America needs him to heal us and then to extend that to the rest of the world. I think he shares, to a lesser extent, his wife's hatred of white America and that he would only accept America's basic decency once he has helped us atone for our sins.

Obama has yet to show that he has a single core value, belief or relationship that is more important to him than his own goals. He has known for far too long that he was our political and moral savior and is willing to do or say whatever it takes to gain his deserved position, as our guiding light. Well I prefer character to well-camouflaged, but deep-seated, personal ambition.

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