And they wonder why 73 plus percent of military members are registered as Republicans

Posted By Deebow

I want them to defend this...

I want them to defend using the video of the apparent death of American Soldiers while serving in Iraq to the religious zealot, gun nut, under-employed working class folk that probably have either served before, serve currently or have a family member who faces danger every day in the ITO.

I want them to defend using this video to make the misleading statement that we are "losing in Iraq."

Of course, the cowards respond according to the script:

Calls to the DNC for comment and for information about the footage went unreturned.

I don't want to hear anymore from the pompous gas-bags in the Old Media and the Code Pink turd-burglars about how they "Hate the war but support the troops"....  Where I come from, we say "that dog won't hunt."

But, since the media outlets are not showing it, out of respect for our comrades in arms, I would like to encourage everyone to tell everyone you know to go and see the ad and tell their friends too.

That way, whichever candidate is chosen by the Democrats, the American voters can ensure that the Democrats are headed for a McGovern style beat-down in November....

A beat-down that will sting for a couple generations....

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Comments

[Don Miguel]

Howard Dean is such a scumbag, he's an insult to pond scum.

[101st*Will]

Code pink turd burglars !! LOL How descriptive and accurate.

[Russ]

I'm almost surprised that they didn't accidentally use a clip from the Vietnam war.

Reminds me, I watched "Monster-in-Law" on TV, Jane Fonda being the in-law. She actually used the phrase "it was a gift from Chairman Mao". I'm thinking that wasn't originally in the script. Its great that even though I wasn't around for Chairman Mao, or Fonda betraying her country in Vietnam, I can still see her with the same attitude today.

[ST333]

I'm 99% sure I've seen that IED clip before and those guys actually walk away from that blast. That's the good news. The bad news is we know how that was meant to look. They are a very desperate bunch and they should be. President Elect McCain is going to expose the socialist/marxist ideas of which ever Defeatocrat is nominated to lose to him. The mere fact they keep playing that "100 years" comment shows just how intellectually dishonest they really are. He said nothing wrong and pointed to Germany, S. Korea and Japan to validate his point.

[Haole_Wahine]

Go to http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues

and leave a message requesting the DNC pull the ad, apparently showing two American's blown up by an IED.

Or at least give the DNC both barrels.

[The Wolf]

McGovern style? I'm thinking DUKAKIS-style beat-down. That would be closer to the reality.

Still fun tho!

=W

[The Wolf]

Sorry, make that a MONDALE- style :)

-Wolf

[Miss Ladybug]

Ditto was ST333 said - I've seen that video before...

[Tom W.]

The good news is the Dems have very graciously opened the door for Team McCain and the RNC to use victorious and positive footage from the Iraq war.

When the Repubs start running ads showing Iraqis thanking America and marching in victory parades with their new American uniforms and weapons, the Dems won't be able to call foul.

Not without looking even more like complete gibbering dopes, that is.

[mindy1]

This is just so wrong. >:(

[Cannoneer No4]

Politicized Military Would Lose Public Trust, Official Says

“We’ve got to make sure that the people understand that the military is not influenced by the events of the day and what could be considered partisan politics.”

[FbL]

And just WHO is politicizing them by lying about them and what they do... simply because they think it will help them (the liars) get elected?

*muttering under breath*

[Chuck Ziegenfuss (TCOverride)]

Michael Moore used that exact footage in his movie.

That's where you've all seen it, either in the movie or in the ads for the movie.

It's no secret that the dems love his fatness, but there's been surprisingly little mention of him this election season.

The real problem is that they will stand on every hilltop and scream how this is "Bush's war" when they were the ones who voted for, and continue to vote for, funding it.

Not one of them is willing to face the music and really take a stand, because they know that if they were to vote against funding the war, they'd be seen as not "supporting the troops" (and rightly so) but would face being fired in the next election.

Too bad they are more worried about keeping their jobs than they are about doing what they believe is right.

[Ymarsakar]

That dog has rabies and needs to be put down, dude.

[Cole]

The RNC should run one of Jimbo's dead tangos for a ad is response

[Cole]

The RNC should run one of Jimbo's dead tangos for a ad in response

[malclave]

Just watched the ad and left a message on the Democrats' web site thanking them for reaffirming my commitment to the GOP.

I plan to leave similar messages with the state Democrat party, and with my Democratic Senators and Representative.

[Ojoe]

It is time for the Democratic Party to go the way of the Whigs and I hope they do.

[winemkr]

I completely support this type of politicking, as a matter of fact I encourage it.

I want the morons in this country of ours to have a sound bite or a video bite that they can hang their hats on.

I want them to cheer the death of their country, I want them to hate the current administration, I want them to sip their wine and enjoy the moments that the military is not there to protect them.

Then I want them to be the ones who suffer under a new and PROGRESSIVE administration.

I want them to feel MAX pain when their policy of appeasement fails and they have to reconstruct the military and the future weapons designers budgets.

I want the political left side of our great nation to feel what it's like to live in a nightmare that they are so comfortable creating.

I want these fools to truly understand what it is to feel someone's pain.

[Mr.Sparkle]

American marketing is ghastly. Political TV adverts serve nobody well, why not have detailed leaflets instead Information produced by the contenders with additional more objective commentary on the history of the candidates and their policies instead?

Look how your current system is based so greatly on the projected 'personality' of candidates and so forth. Its so divisive.

I reckon half the people voting hardly know which way their candidate faces, beyond such vague sentiment's like leave or stay, or what religion they appear to practice.

Winemkr wrote, "I want these fools to truly understand what it is to feel someone's pain."

I think that may be their problem my fellow. Rather receptive to the destruction of war. Hence they spend much time dwelling on trying to end it. Unlike some people who remain blissfully unawares of the horror.

At least today emphasis is placed upon what soldiers undergo and nobody is left blind to it. God forbid a return to the jingoism of WW1.

Poem time,

Editorial Impressions

He seemed so certain ‘all was going well’,
As he discussed the glorious time he’d had
While visiting the trenches.
‘One can tell
You’ve gathered big impressions!’ grinned the lad
Who’d been severely wounded in the back
In some wiped-out impossible Attack.
‘Impressions? Yes, most vivid! I am writing
A little book called Europe on the Rack,
Based on notes made while witnessing the fighting.
I hope I’ve caught the feeling of “the Line”,
And the amazing spirit of the troops.
By Jove, those flying-chaps of ours are fine!
I watched one daring beggar looping loops,
Soaring and diving like some bird of prey.
And through it all I felt that splendour shine
Which makes us win.’
The soldier sipped his wine.
‘Ah, yes, but it’s the Press that leads the way!

Siegfried Sassoon

[Rich Casebolt]

Mr. Sparkle, you woke me up this morning in a way coffee never will ...

I think that may be their problem my fellow. Rather receptive to the destruction of war. Hence they spend much time dwelling on trying to end it.

Their response to Rwanda and Bosnia prove otherwise, Mr. Sparkle.

For the vast majority of these people, the war is a convenient club for them to use ... to beat an Administation who they see as unwilling to approve, if not subsidize, their "rights" to get high, get drunk, and get laid without consequence; i.e. their perception of a socialist Utopia.

And virtually all the rest approach the horror of war from the level of a five-year-old ... IT HURTS, DADDY! MAKE IT STOP! ... without regard to the misery, death and oppression, all without end, that will replace it if we subordinate good judgment to such whining.

Unlike some people who remain blissfully unawares of the horror.

A little more broad-brushing like that, and the DNC will hire you. You should know better than posting that in this forum.

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Well, people, I guess the gloves are off ... time to bring out the footage of the events of 11 Sept 2001 as a reminder to We the People of what we are fighting.

After all, it is "men" of the same mind who gave us both the DNC clip, and this footage.

And Tom W. is spot-on about using those positive ads as well ... in fact, may I suggest an ending for them?

tribe "al-Ameriki" -- Google it!

These outcomes brought about through the leadership exhibited by members of the Republican National Committee, who also supported the funding that gave us these outcomes, with both their votes and their taxes, while also funding this ad

[john Ryan]

I do NOT believe that 73% of the military are registered Republicans please post a link for that poll. It certainly does NOT agree with the one done by Military Times which 2 years ago put the number at 57%, with a definite downward trend.
The People should suppport the Troops. Should the Troops support the People ?

[Deltabravo]

Winemkr, that's not how it works. See: "Clinton era." What better example of the DNC gutting the military and our defenses and appeasing the enemy for eight years. And when the towers fell and the plane wreckages smouldered, did they rise up in anger against the neglect that helped spawned it? Did they curse the administration that encouraged such carnage by its passivity?

No, many of them blamed the current administration for it and ranted all the way at how slowly they were reconstructing after eight years of neglect to our intel and military infrastructure. (You go to war with the army you have, unfortunately.)

And the DNC leadership has stood in the way every step of the way impeding efforts to the contrary.

Winemkr, your little daydream is fun, but it would never happen. Some people are completely impervious to their role in a disaster and the shadow of self blame never hovers in even the darkest corners of their minds.

And unfortunately, it's OTHER people who pay the price for their worldview.

[Soldier's Mom]

This ad is bad enough but did besides me notice that there was an ad asking people to help fund the ad? Give me a break!

[Rich Casebolt]

Ryan, the troops ARE supporting the people ... even when many of the people, blinded by the faulty intelligence of the MSM and naysaying gnat-strainers like yourself, disagree with that support.

[Rich Casebolt]

That support is embodied in what they are accomplishing in Iraq and Afghanistan ... their actions change the situation so that, just maybe, we won't have to deal with these enemies again and again, as was the case when people like you called the tune.

[Mr.Sparkle]

Casebolt, glad I could help with the morning routine.

'unwilling to approve, if not subsidize, their "rights" to get high, get drunk, and get laid without consequence'

I think that is harmful cynicism mate. It's generalising on the scale of calling Blackfive readers neo-fascist war mongers, which wer're clearly not! I don't doubt the integrity of most of the anti-war people, especially the vets.

Obviously there are the diehard pacifists who would have helped stop the US entering WW2, but Iraq and even Afghanistan are highly controversial wars... Hell Iraq was invaded on a MISTAKE!

Whatever the politicians say if they could have seen the result of the Iraq invasion I dare say they wouldn't have gone (at least the ones who didn't profit personally), certainly us Brits should have looked into our colonial past in that region and realised just how much work it is to fight an insurgency.

No country including America willfully acts in the interest of humanity itself. Your example of Rwanda and Bosnia stretches over the majority of political leaders. I read that Tony Blair had to bash the US administration over the head before they would allow ground troops to join the peacekeeping force in Kosovo. Then, that administration was heavily criticised by all these GOP characters protesting at their failure to realise any serious US interests in putting Americans lives on the line (or 'exit strategies' and so on). Fellows who happily supported the invasion of Iraq.

Its not hard for a fellow to look at Iraq and Afghanistan and see plenty of fat Americans and Brits making their money there in highly dubious circumstances (whose children are universally in elite universities). I doubt old Smedley Butler would have much difficulty in condemnation. After all he testified against, among other prominent business interests, Bush's grandaddy Prescott Bush, as one of the long-forgotten nazi-sympathising fascists who planned to overthrow Roosevelt. That's something they don't teach you in school!

A little more broad-brushing like that, and the DNC will hire you.

I have read countless things and watched countless things about war and yet I myself have a poor conception of what it might be like to experience its bitterness as a reality. For which desire I'm a masochist.

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John Ryan you might well be right. I posted a video of a company of soldiers in Baghdad called Apache company, and there seemed to be quite a few Bush haters, partly because of the bullshit spot loss treatment they had received and partly because they couldn't understand the necessity of the war. There was a poll of Americans and many of them still believed post-invasion that Saddam was behind 9-11. It's amazing how effective propaganda still is.

[Mr.Sparkle]

stop-loss even*

[Francis Marion]

“Whatever the politicians say if they could have seen the result of the Iraq invasion I dare say they wouldn't have gone”

OK, I’ll play your game. Let’s put some true perspective into the Iraq war with all the benefits of hindsight.

Fatality rate:
D-Day (1 day) @8,443
Vietnam (most within a 10 year period) over 58,000
Iraq (5 years) just over 4,000

Financial cost:
$526 Billion, a tiny fraction compared to the war on poverty that we have been fighting for many decades which has only subsidized poverty. This is also less than 0.8% of our GDP – in other words, for every dollar earned in the U.S. less than a penny is spent on Iraq.

Accomplishments:
One less tyrant responsible for using WMDs, invading neighboring countries, financing terrorism and mass murder of his own people.
A nation of 25 million people free for the first time in recent history.
A new democratic government which has accomplished more than our current congress.

With true historical perspective, we’re getting a bargain in Iraq.

[Mr.Sparkle]

You're right Marion that the US and British have achieved good things, neither would I suggest it is a good idea to pull out now. That comment is still accurate however.

What would lead me to believe so, is that the war has lost popular support with the war being the weakest point of both our administrations' records.

The fact that the original rationale behind the war in Iraq has collapsed as well as then-prevalent misbelief that there wouldn't be a serious insurgency (sectarian and tribal revival) post-war. With that it's arguable that we might have manufactured enemies. The loss of US-British goodwill. The range of extremist terrorist attacks in pro-war European countries.

Couple this with the growing cost ($2 trillion dollars estimate by Joseph Stiglitz, which is considerably grander than yours, with 4,600+ men).

Whether or not it is historically minor, most would agree it has been a contemporary foreign policy mistake. Through there are people lucky and unlucky it was made.

[Deltabravo]

Francis, we got a two-fer with invading Iraq. SOME PEOPLE HERE forget that as soon as Shock and Awe succeeded in ousting Saddam, our old friend Khaddafy choked up some nukes he had stored in chicken coops in Libya. All of a sudden he decided he didn't need them so much. Which is a good thing considering all the extremist kooks he has running around the Maghreb fighting to control the heart and soul of al-Qaeda and wrest its leadership from that Egyptian guy.

Same principle in effect... whether Khaddafy had any intention of using anything on the west, the fact the stuff was on his real estate with the bad actors running around there made Libya a risk. He was smarter than Saddam. He is still in power. Saddam is still in a hole in the ground. (Just not as much fun as the hole he was in before.)

Our President said "9-11 changed everything." That is different than saying "Saddam was behind 9-11." I'm not going to refight the WMD debate with Sparkly, though his unique view of history is making me want to ring the schoolbell again...

[Gryph]

If the voice-over were replaced with one that warned about the dangers of terrorism and how Jon McCain was the best leader in the fight against it, would there be any objection?

[Deltabravo]

I don't know, Gryph. Let's look at a similar example: If Gryph's picture were in the newspaper, would the caption matter? For instance, say it said "Gryph, Respected Author" you'd probably object to that less than "Gryph, Annoying Libtard Gadfly" right?

Or maybe the issue people have here is the USE to which videos were put, which may or may not be convergent with the deepest beliefs of the people in the videos. For instance, how would you like it if a commercial were put on TV using your picture? Maybe you're neutral about that idea. But what if your picture were used to advertise the birth control patch and the voice- over said, "If you don't use the patch you may foist this on the world." Maybe you'd be annoyed. Right? Sometimes the voice-over makes all the difference.

By the way, he spells his name J-O-H-N.

[rick554]

This has got to be the lowest blow I've ever seen from the cowards at the DNC and "DR" Dean. Unbelieveable, disgusting and unAmerican. Can we start doubting their Patriotism yet??

[jordan]

Wait -- I'm confused. Wasn't there a segment of two soldiers standing next to a bomb when it exploded? Was that portion removed from the tape? Or could it have been another spot.

Sparkle, for god's sake, give it up. Keep marinating in the horror of it all please, just wallow in the hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing badness of this mistake. You seem determined to lose this war. There can be no other explanation for your obsession with the "mistake" so far past the time when it's helpful, and beyond it's ability to teach any further the lessons than it has already taught.

Must be some kind of liberal mental masturbation, a concilation prize for defeat.

[jordan]

Ryan, the Military Times has turned into a military bashing rag posing as something official. Remember, it's a Gannett product like USA Today, and sells itself on the same principles. I wouldn't trust it to catch my bird poop.

[ooogaboooga]

70% are republicans? no wonder why I don't give a rip when they get IED'd.

[Deltabravo]

Herewith I set forth my formal petition to have said person/entity/troll/scum-sucking bottom-feeding crap-a$$ed worm-sh!t a.k.a. ooogaboooga banned from this site.

Not because there is no freedom of speech in America, but because the relatives of those who give their lives for this country come to this site to read, lurk, learn, and discuss. And they should not be subjected to the most disgusting sentence I have EVER read on the internet.

Please, gentlemen, make him go away before he adds to the grief of the good people who read this blog.

He can take his free speech wherever people don't care about humanity or compassion.

Thank you for your consideration.

[Cannoneer No4]

Herewith I set forth my formal petition to have said person/entity/troll/scum-sucking bottom-feeding crap-a$$ed worm-sh!t a.k.a. ooogaboooga be made an example of as the kind of hatred that is at the bottom of the Cold Civil War in America. I think the Blackfivigans should tar every Insurgent Supportive troll with oogabooga's nasty brush.

I share your opinion of this despicable oxygen thief, Deltabravo, but I respectfully submit that banning him and others like him deprives Good Guys in the War of Ideas of teachable moments.

The more emotion he wrings from us, the harder he pleasures himself.

[Deltabravo]

Hmmm... teachable moment...

Meanwhile, down at the Little Red Schoolhouse on Blackfive Lane.....

JOHNNY: Pheeeeew! What IS that stench???! Did something crawl in here and die?

SUZIE: Ewwww gross! That Oogie kid in the corner pooped on his chair! Now he's writing on the wall with his excrement!

JOHNNY: I hate when we get these transfer kids from the Rev. Wright Academy. All they do is disrupt the class and crap in that chair. Teacher, can we burn that chair?

TEACHER: No, students like Oogie are a good life lesson in what happens when your mother uses heavy drugs and copulates with felons for $20 in back alleys. We can all learn a lesson from Oogie.

SUZIE: But he SMELLLLLLS rancid!

TEACHER: And that is good too. Because if he didn't stink up the classroom, you might actually pay attention to the lies he learned at the Rev. Wright Academy and you would fail your history test.

SUZIE: What IS he writing?

JOHNNY: Well, I don't really read Poopese, but it looks to be some garbage about 70 percent and IEDs and Republicans. That's as far as I can make out. Seems he's leaking his brains onto the wall via his rectal aperture.

OOGIE: Don't give a rip. Don't give a rip. Don't give a rip.

SUZIE: Can we at least open a window?

JOHNNY: What IS he saying NOW?

SUZIE: Sounds like he's mumbling to himself to get a grip.

JOHNNY: Oh, and I see what he's gripping. Look away, Suzie! It's not fit for a schoolgirl to see. This loser has lost it.

SUZIE: I can see why the Rev. Wright Academy didn't even want him. And they have NO standards at all!

TEACHER: Poor Oogie. In a less compassionate country he'd be begging for alms on the streetcorner and digging for dinner in garbage cans.

[defendusa]

You flew in and dropped your guano, moonbat, now make haste, you punk. Deltabravo's got it right...begging on a streetcorner is where you oughta be.

[TruePatriot]

73% are Republicans? I would like to see the site you pulled those statistics from. Hopefully not from a military analyst. Those guys are real trustworthy and unbiased.

I think the American public needs to see the videos of my fellow brothers getting harmed out there. During every commercial break of The Hills, there should be a reminder that my fellow Marines and soldiers are out there fighting for you all.

Was it a smear ad? Yep. The American public doesn't care about ear-marks and they don't think our health care system will ever change. So what did the Democrats do? Hit him below the belt. I like McCain. But I'm not voting for him.

BTW: I don't wear an American flag pin on any of my clothes. I don't have a "Support Our Troops" on the back of my car either. My nametape shows my patriotism.

[Cannoneer No4]

How Republicans "lost" the Military Vote

[OmegaPaladin]

Ooga,

You are a disgusting excuse for a human being. By the way, that comment is now part of the the Internet. Any other user can now see that you are actually opposed to the troops who defend you. No more saying "I support the troops, but not the war", you are bordering on being part of the fifth column. Be thankful that George Bush isn't FDR or Wilson or Lincoln - they would have tossed you in prison by now.