How dim is Nancy Pelosi?

Posted By Uncle Jimbo

Stunningly is the proper answer.

I realize that after kowtowing to the chinless wonder in Damascus her foolishness was well established, but now she is hell bent on slapping the faces of the only Muslim ally we have in the Middle East. I will grant that the killings of many Armenians was particularly heinous and worthy of all kinds of condemnation, but calling it genocide in the US Congress is a foolish attempt to make Nancy and some others feel good. She claims we must do this now before the last survivors die, but the damage done to our operations in the entire region will be huge. The loss of Turkey as a transport hub alone would force us to use more dangerous paths to get 70% of our supplies to Iraq, and that would certainly cause more US deaths.

I'm sorry for the Armenians who lost loved ones, but that was darn near 100 years ago and I'm not willing to trade dead US soldiers now for the fleeting vindication the survivors may feel. The fact that the leader of the Dems in the House has this little regard for our forces and their safety as well as our victory is sad but clearly a chosen path. They have been trying to get this war lost for a couple of years now, so the sabotaging of relations with the country most capable of making things miserable for us is par for the course.

Aside from the loss of vital bases in Turkey, take this a fairly simple step further. They just elected an Islamist-leaning government and although they have been an ally and trading partner it has always been a balancing act for a largely Muslim country. What happens if the Imams in the mosques there take up the Hate America theme and our only friend in the region, other than the Zionists, flips to the other side? What if they invade Iraqi Kurdistan to hit the bases of the Kurdish seperatists? By our rules they have every right to do this since they are being attacked fairly regularly by these folks.

Pelosi and anyone who supports this counter-productive piece of foolishness would be actively undermining not just our relations with a vital ally, but our efforts in both Iraq and Afghanistan and the region as a whole. I wish I trusted them to do the right thing.

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Comments

[thebronze]

SanFranNan is complete buffoon and a great representation of the loons in San Fransicko.

[thebronze]

Make that "a complete buffoon".

[Annoying Mike]

Jimbo,

I generally use the following axiom when thinking about someone's actions: "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." However, there are just some cases where that doesn't seem to fit and this appears to be such a case. So if I can borrow a tin-foil hat from one of the moonbats for a second (ooh, it fits)

......It's a conspiracy by Pelosi, Reid, et. al. to sabotage our military's efforts in GWOT......

Nah, she's just a cretin.

[Valerie]

She is not that stupid. This is the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. If she knows anything at all, she knows that angering an ally is likely to have consequences. It's just that, in her view, the consequences do not affect her.

Some of her constituents are Armenians. They represent votes for her. So, she gives them a hearing and a bill. That the bill is seriously outdated and insults an ally in time of war does not matter. Angering the Turkish government does not matter to her: the Turks have no votes in her district. Besides, she sees the Turks as Bush's allies, not hers. And, she recognizes no responsibility whatsoever to our military people, not even enough to study the background on the bills she is pushing with respect to Iraq and Afghanistan, because she does not consider them her constituents.

She'd happily trade the lives of a few servicemen for a handful of votes in the next primary. We aren't even up to thirty pieces of silver, here.

[ST333]

It's easy, they know they can't force an actually withdraw, so they will use anything and everything else at the disposal to force their hand. Despicable but then again we are talking about politicians. I'm amazed at just how many avoid getting the front of their suits and dresses dirty when they slither in.

[Lands’nGrooves]

Let’s see, this happened in 1915, that’s 92 years ago Pelosi, I highly doubt there are that many survivors still alive.

Yes, I’m sure the survivors are sitting around waiting for the U.S. to label it genocide, because they’re not quite sure if it was a horrific experience or not. NOW they’ll be able to die in peace.

How ironic that the same idiots who are taking this cause up are the same who lectures us every chance they get about how the U.S. can’t be the world’s police.

[otcconan]

Well, all I know about that whole Armenian thing is from hearing about it on the radio...in the form of System of a Down songs. Which suck, by the way.

[off-kilter, odd meter heavy metal riff]
"Bush is Hitler and the Government is Evil"
[another riff, then stop, to prove we're good musicians and can stop together]
"Armenian Genocide"
[another stop, to break the monotony]
"And we're no better cause we bomb brown people"
[pathetically bad guitar solo followed by another odd meter riff, performed in drop D tuning so you only have to use one finger to play a power chord]
"So George Bush is Hitler"
[now let the totally vocally-challenged guitarist sing]
"And Armenians died"
[followed by the directionless riff once again and another stop. The end]

[Uncle Jimbo]

That's really funny. I thought I actually liked them.

Cordially,

Uncle J

[jordan]

As if more proof was necessary, this is one more picture perfect example of Democratic incompetence at national security. Pushing this resolution despite the known consequences, shows they've gone too far down the left fork to ever credibly govern from the center. It's not just aggravating politics, it's dangerous, ominous, and an indication that they're not serious about security. To them, a feel-good symbolic act is more important than real security.

The most offensive aspect of this was how she unveiled this on a TV interview as a way to recapture America's lost moral standing in the world due to Abu Graib. Coupled with Kennedy's comment about hate crimes occurring on military bases, this is their view: the immoral military has destroyed U.S. prestige and moral standing, and the Dems now have to courageously rebuild it with resolutions like this.

it's alarming because it targets the physical welfare of the troops, rather than simply being a legislative maneuver to up-end war policy. What's a few troops to sacrifice, if it makes us feel noble? You could almost say they've declared war on our own troops.

Not serious about national security, ignorant of the dire consequences, or maliciously pursuing a destructive policy despite them, take your pick.

Besides the sight of Nancy in her Hermes scarf sitting on Assad's lap, it's one more example of how they can't steer this nation anywhere in this day of terrorism, fragile states, and shifting alliances between major nations besides right over the cliff.

Last week she declared she prayed for Bush all the time. It sent a chill down my spine. First time I ever thought of prayer as an act of aggression.

[Neo]

This is all part of General Sanchez's nightmare of incompetent strategic leadership that includes Capitol Hill.

There has been a glaring, unfortunate, display of incompetent strategic leadership within our national leaders. As a Japanese proverb says, “action without vision is a nightmare” there is no question that America is living A nightmare with no end in sight.

Since 2003, the politics of war have been characterized by partisanship as the republican and democratic parties struggled for power in washington. National efforts to date have been corrupted by partisan politics that have prevented us from devising effective, executable, supportable solutions. At times, these partisan struggles have led to political decisions that endangered the lives of our sons and daughters on the battlefield. The unmistakable message was that political power had greater priority than our national security objectives. Overcoming this strategic failure is the first step toward achieving victory in Iraq - without bipartisan cooperation we are doomed to fail. There is nothing going on today in Washington that would give us hope.

- General Sanchez

[Deltabravo]

Nancy and Nancy's Boys should be run out of town on a rail for treason. I don't find it a huge coincidence that Turkey's sabre rattling and ejection of our ambassador are not related to her dhimmwittery. How many democratic presidents and congresses have we had in the last 92 years who could have settled this pressing Armenian matter? NOW they pick the time to do it?

How about we take Jiminy Carter's view and say that using the word "genocide" right now is not "helpful."

How crazy do you have to be to belong to a political party that can hold so many contradictory viewpoints at the same time?

Waiting for Harry "23%" Reid to opine....

[SteveG]

I don't think you need a tinfoil hat for saying that anything that negatively effects the war on terror is a good thing for Pelosi's crowd so they will ride it...

It seems most of the Blackwater outrage is because the Democrats figured out that there was a chink in the armor to be exploited. As Americans you think they'd notice the weakness, and let it pass, but as political beasts, they jumped on it.

This declaration pisses off Turkey needlessly even if their greatgrandparents were assholes.
The congress people that were briefed properly before the vote knew all about how important Turkey is to the war on terror and that Turkey would be pissed. They also probably were briefed that Turkey's patience was starting wear thin anyway what with the PKK dicking around.

I certainly question the timing of the declaration... at least it was ill timed with regard to greater national interests like the supplies getting to our soldiers.

Democrats are all about feel good foreign policy anyway, when you get beyond empty but irritating symbolism it become clear they have no foreign policy.
Empty feel good bumper sticker stuff like "war is un healthy for children and other living things" and "wouldn't it be great if the Pentagon had to have a bake sale to buy a bomber" or my favorite
"Love your enemies - Jesus"
They think the crazy wing of Islam just needs to be understood and have their feelings validated when the rest of us understand just fine and realize that validating murderous feelings only empowers them to throw ever more murderous tantrums.

[douglas]

"...Pushing this resolution despite the known consequences"

I'm not so sure I'd even give her credit for knowing that. She SHOULD know, but she really is dumb as a box of rocks. Have you ever actually heard her talk?

Of course, intentions aside, the results are just as you discuss.

[Rich Casebolt]

This has to be either ...

... an example of wartime incompetence that should disqualify anyone who sponsors or votes for it -- no matter what party they belong to -- from holding an Executive Branch position ...

... or ...

... something so Machivellian that, if it is being perpetrated with the intent of hobbling the war effort through the back door, those perpetrating it should be tried for treason (as if that's going to happen in this day and age). This is the kind of deceit that can provoke an armed rebellion if the deceivers are not expeditiously dealt with by our political and legal systems.

[Cincinnati_Bob]

Instead of mouthing off like I usually do, here's a question: Is the ANY POSSIBLE reason these Pelosi people would bring this up, not only at this time, but AT ALL. ??

I can't think of one, but I'm hardly the expert.

I mean really, with the polar ice cap to be entirely gone by 2035 and all.. people starving.. Mars needs to be explored...serious stuff going on here.

And who in the hell would vote for harry reid for anything??

[Ray Zacek]

I am sorry for the dead Armenians slaughtered by the Turks, and we can't really do a damn thing for people dead for 90 years, but there are live U.S. troops in harm's way and as I understand it, supply routes thru Turkey are vital to those troops. Pelosi and the Democrats are betraying those troops, and I hope they pay for it.

[texas]

Nancy Pelosi has graduated from dim to dangerously "nuts". This resolution that she is trying to pass is not only bad timing but, will cause more chaos in Iraq. What limits the Liberals won't go through to achieve failure!

[defendusa]

Just one more act of treason to add to the list of smears on the war and the troops, hey? And, when this doesn't work? What will they pull out next? Is there no end to the defeatist party antics? Barf bucket, please.

[Cincinnati_Bob]

I don't think there is any end to it. I believe they are over the hill, through the woods, off to Grandmas house they went where they raped and killed her.

All for a lousy barbara streisand CD.

[pefty]

My suspicions have been the same as the WSJ's. And I agree that if Democrats want to effect foreign policy change, they really ought to overcome their fear of nonreelection and just vote down Bush's defense spending bills if that's what it takes. But for many Members, apparently that's not a viable solution, and the only remaining way to end America's involvement in this horrible war is for congressional leadership to dangerously undercut this President's (note: not America's) misguided foreign policy, as currently by means of genocide resolution shenanigans.

So, due to our nation's dismal leadership, at this point it's down to a choice between the President's ongoing treasonous foreign policy disaster and Nancy Pelosi's own treasonous foreign policy blowup. But if one of those two bits of treason has a chance of ending this war and curtailing America's ability to act in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East where we shouldn't be in the first place, then that's the one I have to choose. Since all trust in our leadership has been eroded, the only thing we can now try to do to keep it from destroying our country is to limit its reach. And cutting off the Turkey alliance does accomplish that.

And who knows? Maybe this whole episode will finally bring a direly needed reconsideration of Presidential power and accountability in the sphere of foreign policy. And that wouldn't be such a bad thing.