Daily Kos just hating openly on soldiers now

Posted By Uncle Jimbo

WOW! I just read one of the sorriest, and I mean that both in the low character and poor execution meanings, hit pieces I have ever read (h/t LGF) . Some pissant has decided that Pete Hegseth of Vets for Freedom is the anti-christ and has cobbled together a classic conspiracist take on Pete and his evil handlers. This clown even decides it's worth playing the phony soldiers card, I mean now this has progressed from a lie about what Rush said, to an accepted fake but accurate urban myth, to just a smear against a vet who has honorably served.

Remember back when the bastards at least lied about supporting the troops. We knew it was horse shite, but at least they had the decency to know they were wrong for hating the military. Now the facade has been abandoned and the hate that was there all along is out front for everyone to see. The left is working itself into a frenzy as the true believers are not being satisfied. They are not getting the defeat they voted for; they are not getting any impeachments; they are not getting a cut and run; they are having to listen to that lying traitor Betrayus; and they have had enough of having to talk nice about those baby-killing bastards.

They actually caught a clue in shifting fire to Blackwater and were scoring some points, but really what is the difference between a contractor and a PFC slaughtering Iraqis for sport in the end right? A jack-booted Nazi thug is a jack-booted Nazi thug and they are naming names now. I applaud the honesty. I mean Katie Couric has pointed out how she is uncomfortable with this whole being an American thing. It's icky to associate yourself with the kind of people that actually live in it and believe it's a good place. Ewww.

I think there is a chance that the grotesque behavior of these unhinged haters will fundamentally affect the election. Republicans have many reasons to expect a disaster with President Clinton conspiring with a solidly Dem House and a filibuster-proof 60+ Dem Senate. But the larger than deserved influence the nutroots are exercising on the Dems is repellent to many Americans when their angry, unpatriotic voices are heard. And yeah I'm getting into the patriotism thing. Mr. Marc Danziger, the Armed Liberal has opened up the topic again in his usual thoughful way and I will weigh in tomorrow.

I will say this, the country to which the nutroots would claim a patriotic allegiance has never existed and I truly hope never does.

Matty O' jumps in (heh) the comment 'splaining to numbnutz about airborne stuff.

dlawbailey - the diarist at Kos - is a freakin' idiot:

But whatever personal treasure.......he may have left behind, Hegseth was not going just anywhere. He was going to the "IRON RAKKASANS" – 3rd Battalion, One-Hundred and First Got-Dam Airborne. The only airborne unit to have served in every American war since its inception. Storied. Heroic. Odd.

No, not the Rakkasans, of course. Just a little odd that he joined them. Because I’m adding up the months....hmm....Where did the Airborne training come in? Parachutist’s badge? Certainly not Ranger school. Advanced infantry training? Because the Rakkasans are a pretty hard-core airborne group, so, you’d think that a combat lieutenant.....

Except that the 101st "got-dam" Airborne isn't Airborne you cheese eating surrender monkey.  It's chock full of legs who dangle by ropes from helicopters.  If you even know what a "leg" is...

When moronic left wing loofas try their hand at military topics, they just look like moronic left wing loofas.

I hereby nominate David Bailey for President of Douchebagistan.

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[Ymarsakar]

It's not a country. It is, rather, a church.

[Blackfive]

dlawbailey - the diarist at Kos - is a freakin' idiot:

But whatever personal treasure.......he may have left behind, Hegseth was not going just anywhere. He was going to the "IRON RAKKASANS" – 3rd Battalion, One-Hundred and First Got-Dam Airborne. The only airborne unit to have served in every American war since its inception. Storied. Heroic. Odd.

No, not the Rakkasans, of course. Just a little odd that he joined them. Because I’m adding up the months....hmm....Where did the Airborne training come in? Parachutist’s badge? Certainly not Ranger school. Advanced infantry training? Because the Rakkasans are a pretty hard-core airborne group, so, you’d think that a combat lieutenant.....

Except that the 101st "got-dam" Airborne isn't Airborne you cheese eating surrender monkey. It's chock full of legs who dangle by ropes from helicopters. If you even know what a "leg" is...

When moronic left wing loofas try their hand at military topics, they just look like moronic left wing loofas.

I hereby nominate David Bailey for President of Douchebagistan.

[Jeffrey Carr]

So what, exactly, did dlawbailey got wrong in his Daily Kos article about Hegseth? It sounds like the guy did the minimum, and leveraged it into what he probably hopes will be a political career by virtue of his own intelligence, and his ability to develop and use well-placed and powerful contacts. I expect to see him become President one day, judging from how stupid the electorate in this country is becoming.

On a different note, Jimbo, did you or any of the B5 writers note the death of Lt. Mark Dailey back in January? He was a Democrat,an Agnostic, an honors graduate of UCLA, and originally was against the war. An essay about the war by Christopher Hitchens turned him around, and he enlisted in the Army. 3 months into his service in Iraq, he was killed by an IED.

Hitchens wrote an amazing essay about Dailey here: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/hitchens200711

[thebronze]

Liberals are Traitors, pure and simple. They want the US to lose this war so badly that they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

I hope they keep this shit up, because as bad as the republicans are, the DemocRats are even worse. By a long shot.

And Carr, go back to DK or DU, where you belong.

[Blackfive]

Jeffrey - aside from glaring factual mistakes about the military, and conspiratorial assumptions, incorrect definitions of what minimums are, and bringing Mrs. Hegseth into the fray, I'd agree with you.

Jimbo painted the hit piece as of "low character and poor execution".

I disagree with Jimbo. It's of the lowest character and poorest execution by a no-talent clown.

[decori]

i can't believe someone would smear a soldier for political reasons. I heard that some dude in a wheelchair with amputations was called unamerican a few years back. . . what was his name? i cant remember.

oh yeah. max cleland.

"2002 Meanwhile, in Georgia's Senate race, politicians learned the power of suggesting your opponent is indifferent to terrorism. In a widely criticized commercial, GOP challenger Saxby Chambliss denounced Democratic Sen. Max Cleland's vote against one proposed version of the new Department of Homeland Security. The spot opened with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein glowering over a montage of military images. The ad faded to black, then launched into Chambliss' criticisms of Cleland, a quadriplegic veteran crippled during his tour of duty in Vietnam. The senator's supporters decried the ad for linking him with those international villains, but his opponent contended that the spot focused, fairly, on his votes in office. The people of Georgia agreed, booting Cleland from the Senate. "

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yeah. f max cleland, that fin liberal coward.

i think that it is actually ok to insult veterans, but only if they are liberals.

[decori]

http://www.reason.com/news/show/38381.html quote about cleland

and let us not forget the republican campaign to say that john mccain had a 'black baby' in carolina. since he was not with limbaugh on immigration, i guess hes a liberal too and we can insult him?

[Uncle Jimbo]

Usual advice about trolls is rescinded for this campaign.

We are picking a fight with the Kossacks, I know I know it's funny what a war-like name they have, but they need to be opposed once in a while. We pick our battles and attacking Pete and his wife was such supreme BS we decided to enagage.

So fight them with wicked logic, and biting commentary, facts and other things that they disdain.

Cordially (although less so),

Uncle J

[Rich Casebolt]

UJ -- your spelling is a little off ...

... that would be Kos-hacks.

As for Cleland ... he was under fire for his decisions as a legislator ... not as a soldier. Just like the way Murtha has been dealt with.

Even winning the Medal of Honor does not give one a pass on perpetrating of stupidity in elected office.

But keep on straining those gnats, Kos-hacks ... though you must really enjoy the taste of live camel over there ...

... as many as you swallow.

[Cincinnati_Bob]

Decori. If you'd like to paint the Republican party with the lowest common denominator (if we make that assumption for the purpose of my point), then I'm sure you'll not object that we paint the democrats using their lowest denominator.

We'll, first we'd have to have a contest to figure out who that might be ;-)

[capitano]

Max Cleland voted with other Democrat Senators to hold up Homeland Security legislation until it included "labor union" requirements satisfactory to Big Labor. Saxby Chambliss' hard-hitting ads correctly pointed out that Cleland was putting politics ahead of national security.

Cleland cried foul because he thought he should be immune from criticism in view of his war wounds. Georgia voters thought otherwise. By all accounts Cleland was well-liked in Georgia, but exercised poor judgment in playing political games at a time when voters wanted the politicans to put the country's interest first. With any luck, they'll do the same in 2008.

[douglas]

Wow. Mr. Carr, for someone who makes his living using computers to help us find bad guys, I'm a little troubled that you couldn't even google to find the answer to your question before you asked it-
"On a different note, Jimbo, did you or any of the B5 writers note the death of Lt. Mark Dailey back in January? "
*goes to google in new tab...*
Thirty seconds later...

Pure Intentions

[douglas]

Wow. Mr. Carr, for someone who makes his living using computers to help us find bad guys, I'm a little troubled that you couldn't even google to find the answer to your question before you asked it-
"On a different note, Jimbo, did you or any of the B5 writers note the death of Lt. Mark Dailey back in January? "
*goes to google in new tab...*
Thirty seconds later...

Pure Intentions

[douglas]

Wow. Mr. Carr, for someone who makes his living using computers to help us find bad guys, I'm a little troubled that you couldn't even google to find the answer to your question before you asked it-
"On a different note, Jimbo, did you or any of the B5 writers note the death of Lt. Mark Dailey back in January? "
*goes to google in new tab...*
Thirty seconds later...

Pure Intentions

[rick554]

Being an openly Republican ARMY dad, they crawl outta the woodwork to go after me :-) I've made it a point to never back down from the trolls. I've found that the best way to fight these bad guys is with cold hard facts,the truth and civilized conduct.
In the real world, away from the computers, the moveon.dems are nervous. It takes almost nothing to set these poor fools off. They are literally on the very edge. Hear that sucking sound?? Its the dem party imploding!
Concentrate and focus. We are going to win this thing.Use the internet to stay aware. Keep the pressure on your congresscritters. Military Families have been in the fight from day 1 and we will be there for the last.
Pray for Peace
GOD bless our TROOPS!

[defendusa]

UJ,
If you read the comments, you'll see that one of the commenters "broken Skull" is Brian McGough. He was the soldier who in an ad that was made by VoteVets.org. who went on record as saying that Rush called him a phony soldier... and some other asshole HalD(aka Hal Donahue of Huffpo and VoteVets advisor) took the opportunity to write a "column" in which he says Rush compared McGough to a suicide Bomber. The "kid" is trying to defend Hegseth's service and keeps getting shitt on by that Bailey character. Makes me sick...
Here is a link to that...
www.patriotdefender.townhall.com/default.aspx

[Vito]

Kos isn't like a weblog here where anyone who posts has been selected to represent the site. It's more like calling Typepad a traitor if the guy had an account there. Anybody can sign up and create a diary. Try it, you can too. So don't make the assumption that one poster represents the views of the community or even that just because they don't take the step to delete someone's account means they agree with them. If this had been promoted to front page status, I'd agree with you, but the diaries have the tendency to be far more inflammatory and ignorant than anything on the front page.

[Trinitytim]

As a Vietnam combat veteran, I am quite PO'ed by this lates Kos attack on a member of our armed forces. Those left wing commie clowns are a waste of oxygen. I confront them every chance I get and I will never back down from their un-winnable arguments.

God bless our military and their families.

Riding with Respect for our military as a proud member of the Patriot Guard Riders.

[RTOTrainer]

The staggering lack of research collapses the mornon's credibility so fast one expects a black hole to form.

VFF is a 501c3 not a 527.
The author has no conception of Title 18.
Does not know what ROTC is or how it works.
Does not understand the relationship of the Guard to the Active Component.
No concept of officer qualifications.
No concept of military personnel assignments.
Doesn't know the difference between a paid advertisement and an op/ed letter.

[MICHAEL in MI]

Reading through the comments, this guy apparently is not stopping with Pete Hegseth. He intends to also look further into GEN Petraeus and his medals and, I would guess, do a similar hit piece on him (and his family?):

Sure, Let's Be Fair. They Will, Surely. (0 / 0)

If we agree not to call the soldiers they hide behind phony - Oh, and David Petraeus is actually phony, and I'm going to be pursuing that even more - then they will agree not to call our soldiers phony, right?

Do you know what "politics" means?

by dlawbailey on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 01:26:46 PM PDT

[jordan]

Mr. Jeffrey Carr, please don't invoke people's names you don't know to make political points. Mark Daily was a friend of my nephew's at Ft. Riley before they deployed. Mark and his wife stayed with my nephew for a couple of weeks beforehand because their apartment was already closed up.

It was devastating to my sister and me to see this happen, because Mark looks almost exactly like my nephew, and has the same background.

My nephew came home. Mark didn't. Hitchens didn't put him up to joining. Read his myspace page. He was a thoughtful, intelligent, well-educated man capable of thinking and deciding for himself.

[Rich Casebolt]

Michael ... the useful idiots keep this up, you can predict their future with Google:

George McGovern 1972

So fight them with wicked logic, and biting commentary, facts and other things that they disdain.

UJ, then I guess this old Warthog will keep on loitering in the area ... with full loads in the fuel tanks, on the hardpoints, and in the Avenger ... awaiting your transmission of enemy coordinates ...

... or the appearance of targets of opportunity.

[Jeffrey Carr]

Jordan, it was Dailey's family that said that Hitchen's essay turned him around, not me. And that doesn't imply that he didn't think for himself. The essay inspired him. Have you ever read anything that was inspiring?

And only an idiot would think that there's such a thing as "scoring political points" in the comments section of a blog. Get a grip.

[jordan]

Negative. His family went to great pains to assure Hitchens that that was NOT the case, because he approached them, understandably, in an apologetic manner. He said he felt badly that somehow his words might have cause Mark's death. Mark's parents told him that was NOT the case. Read the current Vanity Fair article where Hitchens talks about his meetings with the Daily family.

No, I will not get a grip. This pattern we're weeing where people use the dead as their own soapbox, whether it's selling t-shirts with names of the fallen on it, or putting out boots and crosses on the mall, is infuriating, They can't talk back. Mark's sentiments are spelled out in "Why I Joined", so you don't have to put words in his mouth.

[jordan]

Furthermore, it was the LATimes article that mildly hinted that he might have had reservations about the war, and that Hitchen's writing turned him around. Hitchens corrects mistaken notion this in the Vanity Fair article. Daily strongly supported the war, if you read his "Why I Joined" article.

You're not going to be able to turn this guy into one of your anti-war poster boys, my friend. Sorry. He can be honored without mixing in fake anti-war political garbage.

[bthun]

Whoa, not that Jordan needs my assistance, but Mr. Carr, tossing around

"only an idiot would think that there's such a thing as "scoring political points" in the comments section of a blog"

is no way to seriously address a difference of perspectives.

I suspect that you did not intend to infer any such slight and will as a gentleman, say as much to Jordan.

[Jeffrey Carr]

Jordan, Dailey would be a poor choice for an anti-war poster boy since he clearly supported the war from the moment he enlisted.
You seem to be suffering from a mild case of Liberal Derangement Syndrome since you keep mis-interpreting my post as well as my intentions. Go take a chill pill.

And bthun - this isn't Grim's Hall where commenters are respectful of differences in opinion. This is Blackfive Comments-land, where rabid Right-wingers think they're saving the world from cowardly un-patriotic Lefties by slinging insults and generally throwing infantile tantrums. My policy is that you get what you give. Jordan jumped in armed with false conclusions about my post and my intentions (and still has them, by the way). I thought I took it easy on him. YMMV.

[bthun]

I'm aware of where we are posting Mr. Carr. My point is that Jordan did not call you names nor throw a tantrum other than to point out a close association via Jordan's family with Mark Dailey, a Vanity Fair article, and Jordan's disdain for those who use the names of our dead to further a political agenda.

If you want to call someone flinging names around a name, fine, but I've read Jordan's remarks for quite some time and have noted that they are usually quite even in temperament and keel and I would go so far as to say that Jordan usually backs up a comment with substantive data/links to data. None of which merits name calling.

Sorry but I get real tired of flinging derogatory names across the either. Face to face is a different matter. That's why my comments are sparse... well that and when I don't know what I'm talking about, I try to listen and stay silent.

The high road is a better place to exchange ideas. Would you not agree?

[Jeffrey Carr]

bthun, let's recap. Jordan accused me of: (1) posting that Hitchens put him (Mark Dailey) up to joining the Army; (2) using Dailey to "score political points"; (3) trying to turn Dailey into "an anti-war poster boy". Jordan was wrong on all counts, and obviously chooses to believe what he wants rather then face that fact.

As long as he persists in that state, bthun, he's incapable of having a real exchange of ideas. So while I certainly agree in principle that name-calling sucks, I'm not a turn-the-other-cheek kind of guy. If you haven't noticed, I let a lot of the comments at this blog just roll off my back without responding to them. The few people that I do respond to have demonstrated to me in the past that they have the intelligence and/or wit to make engaging with them interesting. Jordan is one of those people. So while I did indulge in some minor ad hominem with him, I know that he's better than that.

[bthun]

As one of the more reasoned folks from left-of-center who bother to make a reasoned case in their comments rather than the usual drive-by dribble, I am of the opinion that you are worthy of the time to read and to exchange the occasional comment. That is why I expect that a discussion with Jordan can be ad hominem free.

Grim's Hall or Blackfive's PG-13 blog are good places to read, learn and exchange ideas without the insolence and juvenile repartee found in many other places.

As I have mentioned in the past, I think adult men should reserve demeaning insults for face to face conversations.

Cheers.

[jordan]

Thanks bthun. Jeffrey, in your first comment you said Mark was against the war, and he was convinced otherwise by Hitchens.

Perhaps that idea that here was a soldier who had opposed the war at one time was what piqued your interest in Mark's death enough to point it out here, amid the many other deaths that month. If not, never mind.

But I don't want his friends, who may have to return to Iraq some day, or their families, to run across a mistaken impression of where Mark stood on the war. His thoughts and writings encouraged and supported them as well.

[Jeffrey Carr]

Jordan, I'm content to let Mark Dailey's writings speak for him. He was obviously a gifted writer. I didn't know him personally, and am only repeating what was written in the Vanity Fair article. Even though I disagree with his ultimate position on the war, I respect the intellectual and moral route that he took throughout his life to get there. It's that complex and infinitely individualized route that I was hoping to point out to the readers here. This was not a cookie-cutter, one-dimensional, caricature of an American soldier that some posters and radical rightwingers are so fond of creating. That was my only goal.