Hmmmm even less right.

Posted By Uncle Jimbo

From the previous post, reader Hoefer remembers and tracks down something veddy intahrezting

Someone help me out with this.  Wasn't there a similar picture about a month ago?  Some old lady's bed catching a couple rounds?

The photographer is the same guy, Wissam al-Okaili.

Here are the two pics and it sure looks like the same lady, and the same idiotic claim. Heh.

AFP/YahooNews Caption: Tuesday August 14, 2007: An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City. At least 175 people were slaughtered on Tuesday and more than 200 wounded when four suicide truck bombs targeted people from an ancient religious sect in northern Iraq, officials said.(AFP/Wissam al-Okaili)

Anyone know the photog or official agency and caption for this one? Something like "Lady finds bullets embedded in the wall of her peaceful home..."

Update:  Blackfive adding captions above, and busting in to add the third photo found by Gryph:

AP/YahooNews Caption: Umm Abdul Zahra holds spent ammunition she found near her home after an overnight raid by U.S. troops in the Shiite enclave of Sadr City in Baghdad, Iraq on Sunday, Aug. 12, 2007. Police and residents said U.S and Iraqi troops backed by helicopters raided the east Baghdad neighborhood on early Sunday, killing two people and wounding 4 others. The U.S. military said it was looking into the report. (AP Photo/ Karim Kadim)

Update 2:  Grimmy in the comments points out that this lady could be the ONE, the ONLY, Flat Fatima:

Go here for more info on how you can purchase your own Flat Fatima.  Reuters, AP and AFP APPROVED!!!

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[vet66]

That's a special weapon that leaves the casing attached to the round.

Must be the new and improved AKX-47 slingshot.

The poor woman probably thought she had found her lost earrings, a gift from Ahmadinejad, complete with firing pin impression on the casing.

[Douglas V. Gibbs]

veddy veddy intahrezting indeed.

[Gryph]

There is a third picture of the same woman by the same photographer.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/iraq/010403armedforces/im:/070812/481/777009fb0ba9412485b2133cc68c11a7;_ylt=AqQeeIHHI3vNIJ4pwDCfpcnKps8F

[chiropetra]

Paging Michael Goldfarb.

Hey Mike, we got another live one for you.

Actually this makes sense in a nasty sort of way. Most of the mainstream media have outsourced their reporting outside the Green Zone to local stringers. Problem is, those stringers often aren't what you'd call 'disinterested'.

This is especially true of the ones who go into places like Sadr City. How many Sunni stringers for AP or AFP or whatever do you think would go into Sadr City to cover this story? How many do you think would make it out alive?

Even someone who subscribed to the ideal of objective journalism would have a real short life expectancy.

This is one of the sources of the incredibly bad reporting which is coming out of the Middle East. Sometimes, the result is indistinguishable from outright parody.

/\oo/\

[Old Tanker]

Okay, picture #1 is obviously wrong...firing bullets with the shell casing on but the second picture is odd. I work for a commercial heat treater and we heat treat the bullet core for armor piercing .50 cal rounds. It's either 4140 or 1050 steel, carburized....REAL hard. That looks just like the core...without the jacket. Like the copper had been melted off for the money...

veddy interezting indeeeeed......

[Russ]

Interesting how Wissam is always around when Coalition forces "allegedly" bomb/attack/etc shi'ite civilians.

http://www.enews.ma/shiite-militants_i64667_0.html
http://www.aimislam.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4141
http://facesofgrief.blogspot.com/
http://www.texansforpeace.org/endthewar/olderIraqis.htm

His photos are featured quite prominately on anti-coalition sites. In all fairness, he also includes photos of shi'ites suffering at the hands at suicide bombers, etc. However, the overall message seems to be look at all the shi'ites suffering, and its all due to coalition forces in Iraq. I really would not doubt that the photographer is purposely staging photos for propaganda purposes. Look at this photo:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/11/africa/11iraq.php

This is also interesting:
http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2006/people/2.html

[Cincinnati_Bob]

The sad part is I actually know people who would buy this story.

[odanny]

"......Actually this makes sense in a nasty sort of way. Most of the mainstream media have outsourced their reporting outside the Green Zone to local stringers. Problem is, those stringers often aren't what you'd call 'disinterested'."......

Disinterested, huh? How many journalists have given their lives for a story since this war began? Takes alot of courage to be a reporter there. The only reason anything is "outsourced" is because anyone other than Muslims who blend in cannot travel anywhere, and even they are at considerable risk themselves. To say nothing of those marked as collaborators for working with the U.S. military.

I'mn sure they just dont like reporting all the good news. And there is so much of it that goes unreported [/sarcasm]

[Lamontyoubigdummy]

No, no. This makes perfect sense. Bullets thrown at a house...the French have finally sent troops to Iraq!

[Kat-Missouri/USA]

Is that last photo even bullets?

Wow..the first two definitely haven't been fired.

Hey! I got an idea. O'douche bag had a point: even stringers are killed for their reporting efforts. maybe ol' Wissam is too scared to go out and get the story so he has his mom pose for him?

[Kat-Missouri/USA]

PS...where are the links to these pictures?

[Kat-Missouri/USA]

Just a quick google of this guy's name has him reporting consistently on al Sadr and Sadr city. I mean, when I say "consistently" I mean every picture.

This guys is a propaganda hack.

and, yeah, I think this lady has appeared in a lot of photo ops of "destroyed" buildings from American Air strike. Still looking.

[ikez78]

Another reutersgate?

[odanny]

Forget all this guessing. Let's get back to the news. You dont need a 'stringer' for this, its what happened in Iraq just today.

Damn, I really hope someone starts reporting on some good news for a change. Damn Liber-uhl media!!

** BAGHDAD - Four suicide bombers struck nearly simultaneously at communities of a small Kurdish sect in northwestern Iraq late Tuesday, killing at least 175 people and wounding 200 more, Iraqi military and local officials said.

The death toll was the highest in a concerted attack since Nov. 23, when 215 people were killed by mortar fire and five car bombs in Baghdad’s Shiite Muslim enclave of Sadr City. And it was most vicious attack yet against the Yazidis, an ancient religious community in the region whose members are considered infidels by some Muslims.

The bombings came as extremists staged other bold attacks: leveling a key bridge outside Baghdad and abducting five officials from an Oil Ministry compound in the capital in a raid using gunmen dressed as security officers. Nine U.S. soldiers also were reported killed, including five in a helicopter crash.**

(We now take you back to your regularly scheduled programming.....)

[dslrogers]

I'm no expert but the bullets look photo shopped to me.

[rgrmom82]

Is it me and being really tired or is that old granny-hadji in a do-rag trying to choose between the lesser of two bull-ettes? Is she offering up two shiney slugs for our perusal? I must be exhausted from working with my new A-team fixer-uppin da boo-boos cuz I am totally seeing double.

Isn't casting the brass FOR the water just hadji sign language for, "Screw you, GI REMFs and you CAN get these camel spiders out of my bidness NOWNOWNOW b4 I use my state remanded cell phone to detoneate an IED on you, infidel!"

2 bullettes 4 the worlds longest three dog night? I don't think so.2 shiney and 2 slow. The Granny hadji photo offering is FOS and a real FLAKE!

[Marieanne]

I know less than nothing about firearms, never even having held one, and it's plain to me that those bullets in the first photo are virgin. Ray Charles could see it.

Can you spell 'propaganda', boys and girls? Sure ya can!

[Jim]

O'Danny,

Man, get a life. You even use an obviously faked photo to trash the war effort... How desperate are you getting? Geesh...

Jim C

[Rich Casebolt]

odanny ... you decry the tragedy and death, only to blame those who are working to stop the tragedy and death, for the tragedy and death.

Never the perpetrators of the tragedy and death.

You talk of "blowback" ... but what you are crowing about isn't blowback.

This is naked aggression against the innocent ... and can in no way be justified as the result of any American action, past or present.

It makes about as much sense as blaming the cops for the actions of a serial killer.

If you really seek peace ... protest the terrorists.

But you will not ... for smearing the objectively just and good, is the only way you can feel good about yourself.

[Rich Casebolt]

BTW, 175 deaths are less than a week's worth of the average "output" of Saddam & Sons, back when they ran the place.

odanny would have let that kind of "productivity" go on forever ... whether it be at the hands of Saddam, or at the hands of the present set of thugs and fanatics trying to take his place.

The life expectancy of the average Iraqi went way up, as soon as the first Coalition soldier set foot on Iraqi soil.

That's why his friends have to resort to poorly-doctored photographs to promote their agenda.

[odanny]

......"odanny ... you decry the tragedy and death, only to blame those who are working to stop the tragedy and death, for the tragedy and death.

Never the perpetrators of the tragedy and death.".....

Here's a thought: We leave a country we should have never invaded and should not be in today, and then we can talk about going after terrorists.

Cause right now we are the best recruiter for radical Islam that the world has ever known. This makes the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan look tame by comparison. Why you ask? Because we have an idiot President who swaggered us into this disaster, who repeatedly lies to the world, who works overtime plotting ways to play woth his military hardware, and Americans are kept i the dark from the compliant MSM in this country, kept ignorant why the neocons work to outsource more of the death and destruction away from the military, who have performed heroically and against all odds, yet have been grievously misused. They deserve so much better than Bush/Cheney.

It's act three of a five act Greek tragedy.

[odanny]

......"The life expectancy of the average Iraqi went way up, as soon as the first Coalition soldier set foot on Iraqi soil."........

You are hopelessly lost.

[odanny]

........"Man, get a life. You even use an obviously faked photo to trash the war effort... How desperate are you getting? Geesh...

Jim C".......

Some silly photo has zero to do with my argument.

[Rich Casebolt]

odanny ... again you ignore the truth of what I said.

Terror didn't enter Iraq with America ... nor will it leave when we do, unless we and the Iraqis make it leave before us.

Had we not gone in, we would be taking the risk of 911 after 911 ... and not only from AQ, but from terror groups who would benefit from Saddam's largesse and R&D.

We leave before Iraq is secure ... and we risk the same thing, as Iraq could once again be hijacked by totalitarians.

You see, you don't want to consider that AQ is not the ONLY enemy we face, for it means that you will have to question your conventional wisdom about when to strike against an evident enemy ... and since you consider yourself so superior and enlightened, such questioning is insulting to you.

Insulting ... but prudent, and wise.

Again, not even one unkind world about the perpetrators of death and destruction.

Shows me you are not interested in peace ... only in the defeat of the peacemaker.

Your assertions about recruitment are the same old boilerplate ... talk to the citizens of Kurdistan, al-Anbar, and Diyalah about the prospects for terrorist recruits where they live now.

You want to see a recruitment spike? Look at AQ in the 1990's, when our foreign policy was dominated by your conventional wisdom.

They were on a roll ... until this President changed the rules, and they saw that we weren't going to treat this conflict like Somalia.

This war is legal, if one is interested in life and liberty instead of straining at gnats and political gamesmanship.

This war is moral, if one is interested in life and liberty instead of straining at gnats and political gamesmanship.

"al-Ameriki" -- a term of trust, granted by the Iraqi people to our Men and Women in-theater.

THEY are shredding your outmoded, timeworn rhetoric like wet tissue.

If you really seek peace, then protest the terrorists.
Who crash planes and slaughter men like lambs
Your protests, my friend
Sound much like breaking wind
Your protests sound much like breaking wind

[chiropetra]

"Some silly photo has zero to do with
my argument."

odanny boy, the loons, the loons are calling...

Speaking of things that cross right over into parody. In this exchange Danny's doing a particularly good parody of an anti-war nutbunny.

For the rest, I'll simply point out that I said it was "often" the case that the stringers are feeding biased reports back to their bureaus. On the planet Earth, which I happen to inhabit, 'often' means 'frequently but not always'. There are some honest, courageous stringers out there, but they tend to fall victims of the monsters Danny is so desperate to defend.

That information is for the rest of you, of course. Danny Boy has demonstrably lost the ability to recognize a fact when it tromps on his face with size 11 boots.

We now return you to our loon du jour in full cry.

/\oo/\

[chiropetra]

Oh and by the way...
Check out Michael Yon's blog article titled "Courageous Iraqi Kidnapped" for an example of one of those Iraqi stringers who wasn't shilling for one side of the other.

Also note what happened to him.

[redc1c4]

what's the timeline between someone calling "bullshit" on the cartridge photo and the one with the much more indistinct phot of her and *something* in her hand? is someone playing catch up?

take a *good* look at those cartridges in the first photo, and compare thickness to length versus a 5.56 or 7.62 NATO round..... the proportions look wrong to me.

redc1c4,
jusat another oppressed person in the PRC. %-)

[Wink]

ok.. top Photo.. looks like a .223 and a 7.62N ?? maybe from an M240G or a heavy battle rifle.. I know some guys still tote the M21 system which carries that round.. ok, so she has a .223.. probablly the second most plentiful cartridge in Iraq after the 7.62X39 AK round.

hmm could the second round be a 5.56mm round from the AK74 rifles? just cant see enough. But the neck taper on the first looks very .223.. big deal.

Second photo.. that isnt either of the rounds shown in the top picture. Look at the necking.. that by god looks like a7.62X39 russian round, but all I can see is the thickness of the bullet and the necking down to the crimp.. odd.. that shap isnt in either of the top bullets.

and the last picture.. "something" looking like a steel or lead core.. no jacket. But AWFUL large for a rifle round core. Seen a core on a .223 or .308 without the jacket? there isnt much there, and it certainly isnt LONG like the round on her fingertip closest to the camera. Maybe a 12.7mm from a Ma Duece..or a KPV type weapon.. but those cores didn't come from any of the rounds in the first 2 pictures..

this just doesnt add up.. unfired rounds.. and then some fired remnants of something.. but the damn remnants are biggerthan the unfired cartridges!

bah.. I smell a rat.. hell, I am sure you can go sift up some spent rounds from anywhere that had a recent firefight, after the fact, it aint that hard.. sand tends to stop bullets without letting them go too deep..

[Deltabravo]

She's got quite a little magazine going there. I'm disappointed with the photographer, though. They couldn't have come up with one child's shoe and a stuffed animal too?

Dannyboy, listen.... hear it? Shhhh....

It's the sound of silence. It's the sound of suicide bombers not detonating themselves every week in Israel. It's the sound of innocent people not being obliterated in pizza shops.

We haven't heard much of that in the last four years. Why not? Because Saddam isn't paying them $25K to ride a load of C-4 to Allah. Ain't capitalism grand? If you don't subsidize it, it disappears! (I'll bet you hate that one too!)

For that alone, it was worth removing Saddam and his depraved offspring. Don't you think? What? You don't think? We knew that.

[liontooth]

Odanny:
Cause right now we are the best recruiter for radical Islam that the world has ever known.
Because we have an idiot President who swaggered us into this disaster,

Then who or what was the 'best' recruiter for WTC#1, Khobar towers, the African and Lebanon US embassy bombings, the USS Cole, the Laurence Foley (US ambassador) assasination, Somalia (Black Hawk down), WTC#2?

Hey, let's see...

Bin Laden:
"The latest and the greatest of these aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (ALLAH'S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places -the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of the revelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka'ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims- by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies. "

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html

(Shhh... Nobody say nuthing. Let's see how long it takes odanny to get the point, HEHEHE)

[liontooth]

For those keep score, it's Liontooth 2, Odanny ZERO.

Here's a little inspiration for da lozer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q

[douglas]

Wow. Woman in war zone finds bullets and spent casings around. I found a spent bullet on my bedroom floor one new year. Can I get my picture in the paper too?

THIS is news?

[Arch]

Earth to Odanny:

You seem to have missed the point. The rounds are unexpended. The Photog is the same guy. Miss Sadr City is the same victim. Do you understand what that means?

The story is a fake.

[Arch]

Queen done by the Queen's Navie

(My apologies the Gilbert & Sullivan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pHsZqqZ2XE

And for those of you who care - "All me bloomin life, sir. Me mother was a mermaid, me father was King Neptune. I was born on the crest of the wave and rocked in the cradle of the deep....and when I spits, I spits tar. I's hard, I is, I am, I are."

[bthun]

Based on what I've read in this thread, I suspect that oDanny bouy will manage to dodge the point.

Heheh,

Great way to start the morning Arch. My youngest heard the strains of Queen coming from my PC, wandered over to see if something had gone awry with the workings of the universe and then spit her coffee after watching the video for a moment. Priceless.

[Old Tanker]

Wink,

See my comment #4 above. It looks a lot like the core from a Ma Deuce round, I see 10's of thousands of them every week. I can't be sure, but it looks similar, they're about .400" OD to leave room for the jacket.

[Grimmy]

Oh Mah, Gawd! It's Flat Fatima!
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=798

Looks like she's gone pro and is touring the victim circuit or circus or whatever it's called.

[defendusa]

Boy, when Odanny keeps coming back for more, despite several knowledgeable posts by one who actually makes bullets...I can only surmise he likes abuse. Spewing to prove he's as wrong as he ever was...scary!

[rgrmom82]

Rather than only killing terrorists, it's time to go after the one's who fund them...

What a come to jesus moment that will be for the ME.

[CAT-A]

I've got a graphic artist looking at that first picture to see if it can be determined whether it was photoshopped. That second picture has made the rounds and CW is that that is the core from a .50 cal round. If it hits something reasonably hard (wall of a house, for example) the jacket will "peal" off and the core will continune on its merry way. The third picture actually shows that effect pretty well.

[czekmark`]

Have to take my swing at O'dunce boy. He wrote:
Cause right now we ar the best recruiter for radical Islam that the world has ever known. This makes the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan look tame by comparison. Why you ask? Because we have an idiot President who swaggered us into this disaster, who repeatedly lies to the world, who works overtime plotting ways to play woth his military hardware, and Americans are kept i the dark from the compliant MSM in this country, kept ignorant why the neocons work to outsource more of the death and destruction away from the military, who have performed heroically and against all odds, yet have been grievously misused. They deserve so much better than Bush/Cheney.

[czekmark`]

Oopa, meant to hit preview so ignore my last. O'dunce boy wrote: "Cause right now we are the best recruiter for radical Islam that the world has ever known." > Like there were no terrorists until we went to Iraq. How stupid can you be.
"Because we have an idiot President who swaggered us into this disaster, who repeatedly lies to the world" You are an idiot for writing this.
"Americans are kept in the dark from the compliant MSM in this country" Obviously you are in the dark probably because your head is up your ass.
" our military, who have performed heroically and against all odds, yet have been grievously misused." Yeah, I can see that you are a real supporter of our military NOT.

[Soldier's Mom]

Y'all are all keying on the bullets and rightfully so -- you are the experts. I'm not -- but everyone has something they key in on when they meet someone and with me it's hands and eyes and I'm telling you that's the same woman right down to the last little wart and ring on her right hand. Now mind you -- I'm no expert, but there is too much similarity in features that can't be changed without doing Extreme Makeover!

And I love how when Uncle Jimbo or Blackfive or Grim or any of our other bloggers posts something like this, it brings out those who "profess" to back our efforts and especially our troops, but when you read what they write, "me thinks there is trouble in paradise" and Houston, we have a problem! Hell, if you want to put down our troops and the war effort go become a congressional staffer!

[liyak]

It's called tracking!The enemy
will act,on her behalf later on!They have done it,before.

[desert dweller]

Wissam al-Okaili is clearly a photographer with an agenda, and NOT a photojournalist.

... or else this poor woman needs to find a new home ...

[hoefer]

Is anyone in intel, with a knack for photo interpratation? At first I was laughing at Flat Fatima, but then I noticed the scar on her right cheek on some of the close-ups at IMAO. IT IS HER! Who is her freaking agent?

Could these be additional sightings?:

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/&_/images7/2006_war_photos_8/woman_cries_son_killed.jpe

http://www.enews.ma/suicide-bomber_i64678_0.html

[TomB]

"Here's a thought: We leave a country we should have never invaded and should not be in today, and then we can talk about going after terrorists."

Because when we leave, there will be a decrease in violence. Is that what you are saying Danny? Because if you are, you are hopelessly lost.

Danny, why do you care about the lives of Iraqis now, but not when Hussein was in charge?

"Cause right now we are the best recruiter for radical Islam that the world has ever known."

Nice timing Dano!

An article from Buratha News from yesterday:

“Al Qaeda in Iraq Has Lost 75% of Civilian Leadership”

“Smuggling mobs from Alrumailah area have been arrested after they were spotted by these surveillance plans.” Khalaf added, “Alqaida elements have lost their offensive capabilities and have become defensive. This is because Alqaida in Iraq has lost over 75% of its civilian leadership due to daily attacks and ambushes carried out by interior ministry forces backed by the Iraqi Army.”

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/08/al-qaeda-in-iraq-has-lost-75-of.html

[inkling]

It's worse than you think! Apparently the eeeevil Americans used depleted uranium bullets!!!

http://exurbanleague.com/2007/08/15/were-worse-than-you-think.aspx

[rjschwarz]

Step 1. terrify the media (this was done primarily in Afghanistan but the results are best scene in Iraq).
Step 2. replace them with folks you can control.

Does anyone question that Al Queda is winning the media war.

Does anyone question why our media has sunk so low credibility wise. It's one thing to have all the stringers doing the dangerous work and another to avoid having someone with military knowledge going over the photos and stories before they are published and your credibility tarnished. The media doesn't care about credibility anymore because the bullets are fake but accurate.

[Wink]

[quote]It's worse than you think! Apparently the eeeevil Americans used depleted uranium bullets!!!

[/quote]

Damn glad they waited a few years to issue those!.. Can you imagine toting a few 30 round mags of DU rounds for your 16? or damn.. a Minimi gunner with belts of that stuff? an M4 with a 30 round mag of that stuff must feel liek you are toting a vintage BAR!.. lol

on a more serious note.. since I am not a ballistics expert..(But I DID stay in a Holiday Inn Express!).. if you did manage to jacket a .223 around a DU core.. exactlly how much powder would you have to load into the case to get an acceptable muzzle velocity? you would need like a magnum cartridge to get the FPS needed for accuracy!.. so we would have had to rechamber all those 16's for this is my thinking!.. lol. Granted the 25mm on the brads and the 105's and 120's on the Abrams do stock DU rounds.. thats a different story.

Moral of the story.. don't want DU's fired at you? don't make us fire them at you.. life really is that simple. I have NEVER shot at anyone who didnt make me do it :)

[Ymarsakar]

How many journalists have given their lives for a story since this war began?

About as many as the Left's allies could kill, for interupting od's narrative.

[Ymarsakar]

I can only surmise he likes abuse. Spewing to prove he's as wrong as he ever was...scary!

Posted by: defendusa | August 15, 2007 at 09:09 AM

Well, you know how it is with the Left. Full of sadists and masochists.

[Ymarsakar]

and even they are at considerable risk themselves.

Of course, terrorists are always at risk.

To say nothing of those marked as collaborators for working with the U.S. military.

Since journalists aren't on the same side as the US military, I think it would be more accurate to call those neutrals rather than collaborators.

The death toll was the highest in a concerted attack since Nov. 23, when 215 people were killed by mortar fire and five car bombs in Baghdad’s Shiite Muslim enclave of Sadr City.

So when you going to have your victory party, od, and congratulate your allies?

(We now take you back to your regularly scheduled programming.....)

Is the Jihad so unpopular these days that you have to beg for attention amongst Americans, od? Such sad circumstances that have been brought about them.

Cause right now we are the best recruiter for radical Islam that the world has ever known.

Damned fauking straight the Left is the best recruiter for radical Islam that the world has ever seen, od.

Dannyboy, listen.... hear it? Shhhh....

electric shock therapy cured od of the voices, Delta. Just wanted you to know.

[CAT-A]

FWIW, I had a graphic artist look at the picture of her holding the two rounds. It is his opinion that either a) the picture is legit (i.e., not photoshopped) or b) was photoshopped by a pro that understands how to remove the artifacts and the picture was originally of a better than normal quality. So, while the origin of the rounds and the intent of the photographer are definitely up for debate, it does look like she is actually holding the rounds.

[Deltabravo]

She found it in her bed, she said? Don't the Austrian-designed/Chinese-counterfeited Steyr-Mannlicher HS50s use 12.7 mm rounds? Seems I read recently that Iran has been flooding Iraq with those sniper rifles. My question is.... who is using Fatima's house as a sniper nest and dropped their ammo?

Maybe Grandma Hadji needs a one-way to Gitmo and some convincing to spill the rest of that story?