Friday Freefly- Surge against the Surge II

Posted By Uncle Jimbo

Opposing the Defeated Opposition-

Years of media doomsaying coupled with ignorant yet calculating political conniving have created a climate where the US Congress has declared defeat. Today's vote in the House sems to me to be the first actual declaration of defeat in our country's history. I'm not sure vis a vis the debacle leaving Vietnam, but even so does that comparison help make the Dem's disgrace less so? NO!

I have always despised politics, but now to watch the lives of my friends held hostage by the likes of Reid (The TLMCITCC), Pelosi, and the rest of the strategically-challenged is beyond galling reaching infuriating. So that brings us to the Freefly, minus Kev but full of righteous indignation. 

First Surge episode here- Surge Against the Surge & Why I was wrong about Rumsfeld

[The Blackfive Military Video Channel on YouTube is located here (attacks, memorials, briefings, rescues, and some Guinness.]

[Uncle Jimbo's YouTube Channel is here (for righteous Friday Free-Flys among other things).]

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/2819/20009864

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Friday Freefly- Surge against the Surge II:

» GWOT rundown with a focus on Iraq - UPDATED from Pros and Cons
MSNBC considers this fellow one of the most capable politicians in Afghanistan. Heres what he has to say about pulling out: Theres a lot of talk in the U.S. Congress now of forcing the Bush administration to withdraw from Iraq. If that we... [Read More]

Comments

[Miss Ladybug]

My letter to my Representative who voted for defeat.

[Miss Ladybug]

I posted before I watched your Free-fly. Yes, I wrote my Congressman. I will (as I have in the past) contact my Senators, too. And, I'm already part of The Victory Caucus...

[warvet48]

Jimbo: My computer operates on dial up modem, so it takes me forever to view the vids. But I do take what info you do provide and work from there (while the vids download).
----------------------------
"I'm not sure vis a vis the debacle leaving Vietnam, but even so does that comparison help make the Dem's disgrace less so? NO!"
-----------------------------The dems disgrace is made all the worse because they learned nothing from our pullout in Nam. They are obviously willing to let AQ and whatever other insugent groups and factions, destroy Iraq by forcing us to pullout.
I too despise politics and polititians, they cost us the war in Nam, didn't let us finish the job during the 1st Gulf war, and now they are more than happy to give the enemy guidelines and timetables by which they can work their will against us, simply hold out and win.
All they (Dems) want to say is how they are doing it for the troops, saving the troops taking them out of harms way. That maybe, for a little while, but the next front may be even costlier and greater to deal with in terms of human lives. The dems can't see past the ends of their noses. Oh well sorry for the ranting, this just gets my goat. I want our troops given the time and money/resources needed to complete their mission. And for them to be able to do it without looking over their shoulders at the BS MSM and demos are putting out back here, while dealing with ludicris ROEs, how demoralizing can that be?

[jordan]

Riley, if the Dems truly have a mandate to end the war, why didn't their bill call for an immediate withdrawal, or an immediate funding cutoff? If there's a mandate from people to do so, as you suggest, there should have been no problem getting more votes on their side. Another half-measure to mollify their left wing extremist base, without going so far as to risk fallout from an actual funding cut is what this vote was about. Now they can go to MoveOn.Org and other anti-war special interest groups and say, "See, we tried. We voted yes."

In democracy, if you'll recall, the people's representatives do the bidding of their constituencies. They claim their constituencies want the war ended now. Yet, rather than cutting off funding immediately, or withdrawing immediately, they institute half-measures like a nonbinding resolution, a 120 day wait before pulling out, or promise to consider cutting off funding ten months from now.

If the majority of the people want the war ended now, all the Dems have to do is completely cutoff all funding, or demand an immediate withdrawal, but they're doing neither -- only engaging in legislative games to placate their extremist followers. In the process, they trashtalk and badmouth the efforts our troops are making, thereby making their position in Iraq that much more untenable and dangerous.

If the Dems are NOT following the wishes of the majority for an immediate pullout, it is they who need to be reminded how democracy works.

Nobody "boosts" a war, least of all those who fight it. But they recognize that the surge was the agreed plan, it's only been underway for three weeks, and it will be reassessed in September.

[JE]

The vote in Congress was essentially a party line vote:

Yeas Nays PRES NV
Democratic 221 5 4
Republican 191 10
Independent
TOTALS 221 196 14

10 Republicans did not vote, and 4 Democrats did not vote,

5 Democrats voted against the measure and added to the 191 Republicans made 196 against.

I think it is essential to be specific in how our elected representatives voted. This was not Congress voting for this AQ support measure; with 5 exceptions, the Democrats were voting to abandon Iraq and all that has been accomplished there, not Congress were 196 brave and insightful people held the tide. This is hardly a veto proof vote and in that we can be grateful. The intent, however is to keep the flow of votes coming until the opposition is, hopefully in their mind, worn down. All the while, aid and comfort flows to our enemies.

[Deputy Dawg]

The way I see it, we now have a list of 221 names that can be voted against next year. It's time for the American public to take a stand. The question for the election should be "Do you want a representative that stands on their convictions or a panderer that serves up half-measures to fool you into thinking they are actually accomplishing something?"
These people believe they have a mandate and can fool their constituents with these sideshow stunts. I think folks in their Congressional districts should step up and vote against them in the primaries next year. Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Martian, whatever. I know its a pipedream, but if you feel that you are not being represented, exercise your most precious right and vote for their opponent in the primary.
I know people will say "well, the next politician may be just as bad." Think long term. What impact do you think it would have if the voters threw out 221 representatives in one election (with several Senators in to boot)?
Personally, I'd like to see every politician that has served two years or more sent packing next November. Turn out every incumbent. Since the Founders never believed in professional politicians (the term was citizen legizlator), put this crew to pasture.
I hear the calls for term limits, but "We, the People" have the power to term limit every politician. Think of the ripples in the polical world if in just one election, "We, the People" removed 435 Representatives and 33 Senators, regardless of Party affiliation. Yeah, we may get a whole new bunch of bums, but the great thing about it is we can do it again in 2010. We hold the power. Use it wisely.

[JE]

SUPREME MEA CULPA: Got the wrong numbers - this is closer but still did not defeat the get out of Iraq bill. There are not the votes to over ride a Presidential Veto, however.

Voting yes were 219 Democrats and 4 Republicans = 223 Yes
Voting no were 191 Republicans and 10 Democrats = 201 No

The rest of my comment holds true. I agree with Deputy Dawg about knowing for whom to vote. There is no issue more impoortant than the war on terror of which Iraq is one battleground

[Arch]

Austin Bay posted 7 potential scenarios should we withdraw before the situation is stable.

As for "the newly elected body of congressman [sic] and woman [sic] act on the mandate they've been given by the MAJORITY of the citizens to end the waste of blood and treasure...."

I voted last fall and I do not recall a question on the ballot about ending the war. The republicans lost congress; the democrats did not win it. Every red-state democrat senator and representative took a hawkish stand to win, more hawkish than their republican opponents. Remember the "we won't cut off funding" and the "inpeachment is off the table" pledges?

The democrats must cut off funding just like they did in Vietnam (see the Case-Church amendment) if they want to stop the war. The American public will not stand for another cut-and-run congress. If the democrats want to ensure their status as a permenant minority, run away again.

[liontooth]

Why don't the Democrats just admit now that after Iraq, they will vote to withdraw from Afghanistan too?

The Taliban didn't attack the US on 9/11 and al qaeda has been in Pakistan. So why is the US STILL in Afghanistan?

[liontooth]

majority of the population turfs out the incumbent GOP because they are sick of the hypocrisy

act on the mandate they've been given by the MAJORITY of the citizens to end the waste of blood and treasure and suddenly its to hell with democracy.

Month number 7. Where's the impeachment?

[ikez78]

Hey guys,
Found your Youtube videos, nice work. I've added you guys to my buddy list and I have some videos at my channel and favorites on here that you might be interested in http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ikez78

I am going to be adding about 14 more videos on the subject of Saddam Hussein and his use of violence and terrorism since I feel that this is a topic that is too often forgetton by the public and the media.

[Miss Ladybug]

I really don't think the Dems have a "mandate" for anything. Many Republican voters stayed home from the polls this past November, because they were fed up with how the Republican Congress was doing things. Also, how many of the seats picked up by Dems were won by fairly narrow margins, or were races where a Blue Dog was running to the right of the Republican candidate?

Yes, I'd like for all of our military to come home and not have to fight a war, anywhere. But, that's not living in the real world. AQ view Iraq as the main front in their war against the U.S. If we lose in Iraq, the war still won't be over. It will last longer and be even bloodier in the long run.

I'd be willing to be that if someone conduct a poll of many thousands of Americans (these "national" polls that poll 2-3 thousand people cannot be representative of a nation of this size), and asked the question "Do you support a withdrawal from Iraq by (date certain) even if that means a defeat for the United States?", most people would answer no.

I have also noticed that many polls that ask a question like "Do you think we are on the right path in Iraq?" never seem to ask that follow up question like this: "What should the US do to get on the right track? a) leave immediately b) leave on a timetable c) relax ROE d) send more troops" I think it might be because some pollsters don't really want that answer - they just want the "X% of Americans say we're on the wrong track in Iraq" poll result with which to beat the Bush Administration.

[MegaTroopX]

Yes, let's oppose the Defeatocrats and the Runpublicallys.

With FIRE!

[Cincinnati_Bob]

Riley, read Jordan's post a couple more times.

Then later, when body parts of women and children are reported to be flying out of American restaurants or other public gathering areas, as the result of a seriously emboldened al queerda and followers, you can rest assured that you were one of the folks who dismissed the dirkas as just boys being boys or whatever demented illusion you are constrained with.

[Arch]

Miss Ladybug:

No one in their right mind likes war, least of all those who must leave home and fight it. Saying that 70% of American oppose the war is not surprising, but it links people who oppose all war, those who hate Bush to the point of insanity and those who think we are not being aggressive enough.

The question the pollsters should ask is, "Do you want the U.S. to win or loose in Iraq?"

I would expect to see at least 70% in favor of winning.

[liyak]

The only failure present,is,Iraq!Not all Iraq but,the terrorists and
double moles,etc.Iraq:'Literally means,place of ruin and worthlessness!'Not because of the land but,the people's occultism!
Beware of 'Chaldeanism!'

[liyak]

I've noticed that,someone is deleting personal posts.
That fit exact content and context,and why is it?
Don't be a Magi with me!