A New Low

Posted By Froggy

We all know that lefty trolls can be a real inconvenience at times, but a very special troll named Deborah Frisch has taken trolling down a very dark road.  Jeff Goldstein is the very insightful conservative blogger who writes at Protein Wisdom and Dr. Frisch (did I mention she's a psych[o] professor at the University of Arizona?) has repeatedly and quite disturbing levied DEATH THREATS against Jeff's 2 year old child. 

I post this in the hopes that any readers in the law enforcement community or at the University of Arizona will take the opportunity to click on over and see if they can be of assistance.  Much like Robert Fisk of "fisking" fame, Frisch ought to become her own unique internet verb for a deranged troll/cyber stalker.  Please don't hesitate to leave your submissions in the comments.

UPDATE: I just spoke with Jeff by phone and he informed me his site is currently under two (2) Denial of Service attacks at this time.  Apparently, some elements of the psychotic left are closing ranks around Dr. Frisch and seemingly approve of her tactics of threatening children with death and sexual abuse.  Nice going.

UPDATE 2: I just spoke to a representative of the U of AZ Psychology Department and confirmed that Dr. Frisch is a faculty member at the school.  I asked to file a formal complaint and gave my contact info and am awaiting a call from the Department Head, Al Kazniak.  If you would like to do the same here is the contact information:

Department
	1503 E University Blvd. Building 68, Tucson, AZ 85721 (map)
	Tel: (520) 621-7448
	Fax: (520) 621-9306
	psychology@email.arizona.edu Kaszniak@u.arizona.edu Department Head email

Examples of her "comments" after the jump

I’d like to hear more about your “tyke” by the way. Girl? Boy? Toddler? Teen?  Are you still married to the woman you ephed to give birth to the tyke?

Tell all, bro!

And

[...] as I said elsewhere, if I woke up tomorrow and learned that someone else had shot you and your “tyke” it wouldn’t slow me down one iota.  You aren’t “human” to me.

[...]

So if you could just tell me the AGE and SEX of your “tyke,” I’d be stoked!

Thanx!

And

Ooh. Two year old boy. Sounds hot.  You live in Colorado, I see. Hope no one Jon-Benets your baby.

Are you still married to the woman you humped to produce the toddler?

And

I reiterate:  If some nutcase kidnapped your child tomorrow and did to her what was done to your fellow Coloradan, Jon-Benet Ramsey, I wouldn’t give a damn.

And

Give your pathetic progeny (I sure hope that mofo got good genes from his mama!) a big fat tongue-filled kiss from me!  LOTS AND LOTS OF SALIVA from Auntie MOONBAT, if you don’t mind!

Somehow, Jeffy boy, I think you get off on the possibility of Frenching your pathetic progeny, even if it is a boy. You seem like a VERY, VERY sick mofo to me, bro.

And

You know, Jeff, I just don’t get it. You say, and I believe you, that a human female chose to procreate with you and you have produced a 2 year old progeny.

But you live in Colorado and I really can’t believe there are women desperate and/or stupid enough to procreate with the likes of you.

What am I missing, dude?

So the poor bitch is dirt poor and that’s why she pretended you were worthy of procreating with?

And

Just my two cents:  The pathetic jeffy boy goldstein plays the jew card 24/7. Didn’t you notice?

THIS IS A CESSPOOL!!! GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!!!

JEFF!!! DRINK THE KOOLAID AND LET YOUR WIFE RAISE THE little Goldstein Junior!

And

I am SHAKING, I tell you, SHAKING!!! in my boots at the prosect at an FBI and/or state police trooper tromping down my driveway to see if I was a threat to the progeny of the pissant name of Jeff “pissant” Goldstein of the pathetic, neutered, sissified, state of Colorado.  I don’t give a rat’s ass whether the pissant’s progeny live or die, but I have no intention of snuffing the mofo’s chillen myself.

And

Still waiting for some words of wisdom (NOT!) from you, Jeffy boy!

Your little boot-lickers have had their say. What say you, king dingbat?!

Wanna escalate this game. Fine wit me. 

Bring it on, hombre.

Bring it on.

There's plenty more where that came from, sadly.

UPDATE 3: Froggy posts an update along with the definition of "Frisched".

Comments

[douglas]

Yikes! I, for one, would not take such comments lightly, where the safety of my wife and/or children is in question. I hope the police can do something about this- good on you Froggy for getting it out there.

[Fallen Angel]

Nice work getting this one out in the open Froggy! Seems that this "female" might benefit highly from a close encounter of the FBI kind!

[Abu Sinan]

Yes, I think leveling threats at anyone is not protected speech.

[adele]

A fine example of someone in higher ed.

[toni]

I'm trying to find the words {printable} to describe my reaction to this sick and demented person. To think this deranged person is a professor is even more disturbing. That this person is instructing students in psych is a testament to all that's wrong with our higher learning institutes.

[Frankly Opinionated]

If those are her comments; she should not be free and walking the streets, picking up her side money. If those are her comments, no effort should be spared to bring her true acts to public light. Stifle her free speech? Let her use free speech in the courts. The comments that I have read are worth an ass-kicking at the least. Kick a ladies ass? Who called a snake that talks like that a lady? Those are the words of a loser, a snake, and if really female, a street slut. After posting this comment, I am going into full investigative mode to see just what this is.
nuf sed

[Katje]

Good on you Froggy, for bringing this to light.

I really hope this is one of those cases where a psychotic person isn't taking their meds, because the other option (that these are her "sane" opinions and thoughts) is a bit too frightening to think on too closely. We're all used to the vicious ad hominem attacks by left-wing wacko's, but her overly-libidinous comments about his TWO YEAR OLD (!) CHILD were WAY beyond the pale (not to mention sickening in the extreme!).

For her to then claim that her threats and sexual suggestions were justifiable because of the threats and sexual suggestions directed at her; that's way, way too much. There is *NO* comparison at all to be made with angry (and occasionally vile) comments traded between adults and those issued from an adult to a defenseless child barely out of babyhood. At the least, she needs to be locked up for observation, at best, locked up for a good while longer.

[AFSister]

Oh.My.God.
That is just foul. Absolutely FOUL. There has GOT to be a way to go after her legally.

[just a Dogface Soldier...]

This filth should not be walking the streets, she obviously has made specific threats that should be made aware to the local authorities. Threatening a Childs Life? WAAAAAY over the line.

[AFSister]

I just looked up faculty in Psychology at U of A, and she's not listed.
http://catalog.arizona.edu/2006-07/faculty/PSYC.html

[BloodSpite]

These states are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New York, Oklahoma, and Wyoming. Arkansas and Maryland have enacted statutes that cover harassment via electronic communications outside their stalking statutes.

The definition of the term "telecommunications device" in that section excludes "interactive computer services." The intent of the exclusion is to insulate the service provider from liability, but not to insulate an individual user from liability for his or her criminal behavior. Accordingly, the Department of Justice has taken the position and successfully argued that a modem was a telecommunications device within the meaning of the statute. Therefore, an individual who used a modem to connect to the Internet and harass an individual is likely to fall within the terms of the statute. See American Civil Liberties Union v. Reno, 929 F.Supp. 824, 829 n.5 (E.D. Penn. 1996), aff'd, 521 U.S. 844 (1997); Apollomedia Corporation v. Reno, 19 F.Supp.2d 1081 (N.D. Cal. 1998), aff'd, --- U.S. ---, 119 S.Ct. 1450 (U.S. Apr. 19, 1999).

Jeff needs to pick up the phone, and his troubles *will* end. While most computer junkies like myself hate the laws being drafted for the Internet, the fact is, they do protect people like Jeff from sick people like Deb.

[AFSister]

And in this article: http://www.counterpunch.org/frisch02122005.html,
she defends Ward Churchill, and is listed as "Deborah Frisch, Ph. D., is a psychologist and Former director, of Decision, Risk and Management Sciences Program at the National Science Foundation."

There's no mention of her being faculty at U of A, only that she's a "former" director at the NSF.

[adele]

I went to the U of A website and I don't see that she works there. Do we have confirmation? Would be nice to go to a prospective student reception, and let parents know about her.

[Geepers]

Well she certainly used to work at the University of Arizona. The University certainly is less than forthcoming about it that's for sure.

Instructor: Dr. Deborah Frisch

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:u8TvccePSQkJ:psychology.arizona.edu/courses/spring04/html/frisch230spring2004.html+Deborah+Frisch&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

[adele]

She's there, or was at some point. Email still seems to work. I would have used stronger language but since I am also in higher ed, I wanted to keep it professional. I purposely sent it from work because she should know how others in our field feel about her. What a case.

dfrisch@u.arizona.edu

[Stickwick Stapers]

Frisch is adjunct faculty at Arizona, in which case she wouldn't be listed on the department's website.

The university and the department should be made aware of this woman's behavior. Adjunct faculty do not have tenure, and her employment could (and should) be easily terminated.

[Bill Maher]

Well it's typical of college teachers these days to act like terrorist. I know a buddy of mine who threaten by a such a teacher and lied to the administration that the person he threaten. That the victim threaten him. I lost all respect for teachers in college now.

[Maggie]

This is the creepiest thing I have read in a blog. Hands down. Without a doubt.

[Monte Turner]

I wasn't able to pull up the original post where she said all those horrific things. Maybe law enforcment have been to her door........we can only hope.

[deb]

Thanks for the publicity, dude. Jeff Goldstein allowed commenters on his blog to wrote graphic, threatening, disgusting, sexual, violent things about me. I wrote about how I felt threatened and disgusted. He did nothing.

I wanted to show the dingbat and his minions how it felt when someone crossed the line from fighting about words to making physical, disgusting comments. I guess I succeeded.

Check out the comments that led up to this.

Of course, you rightwing dingbats never look at what instigated an event - you just pick and choose the facts that make you look good. So I doubt any of you will go look and see what the cretins and thugs that hang out in his comments section said about me.

File this one in can dish it out but man oh man can't take it.

[Jihadgene]

She should redeploy (cut & run) from Arizona and come out to California. The California Teachers Union would be proud to have her. Though she is in Az I hear she campaigns for John Murtha.

[Trauma Chick]

Deb's behavior appears to be escalating and she is becoming less and less coherent. She needs to be under a doctors care soon before she hurts herself or someone else. Jeff needs to save all the e-mails and call the police or the FBI. Someone also needs to send these e-mails to the president of the university. Sounds like she needs to have a petition and certificate done on her behalf. Is it a full moon? Oh wait every day in the ER is on a full moon anymore. Jeesh!

[Stickwick Stapers]

"File this one in can dish it out but man oh man can't take it."

Sounds more like one for the "two wrongs make a right" file.

[Froggy]

Well, thanks Deb. I see your point. You certainly have made a very compelling case for threatening the molestation and death of a 2 yo boy. Perhaps you'd like to see my children murdered as well since I generally agree with Jeff politically. Being Borderline sucks, huh?

[Devil Dog Dad]

Certainly glad she came by to visit. As the PC crowd says " she has some anger management issues". In my opinion what we have witnessed is a nice case of transference. All those years of education and what does she do? Posts very cogent and in depth comments. Ha.

[David]

I really don't care what set off your serial threats. One threat in the heat of the moment might be forgiven if forgiveness is asked for. This series of posts show a really sick mind. ANd for other, most of us academics don't write such vile puke.

[rick]

Deb,
Whatever comments were made, right or wrong; were made between adults.
You made comments leveled at a 2 year old.
That's sick.
Grow up and act like the adult you are supposed to be.
You are a vile, immature, spiteful and disgusting individual.

[bruce]

Oh, oh... OHHH YEAH!

[bruce]

Sorry bout that... I don't know what jsut came over me. ;-}

[AFSister]

Bruce, you forgot to stick out your tongue.
hehe....

Debbie... you dropped this. *picks up tin foil conspiracy theory hat and hands it back to psych(o) adjunct*

[gail]

If Deb was offended or flamed, it might have justified an angry response to Jeff or to the others involved. Nothing justifies violent and highly sexualized language directed at a child.

[Confederate Yankee]

I just sent an email to her department chair and the local FBI office. She's in for a rough Monday.

[FbL]

I can't access Jeff's site now.

[ken]

Borderline? Ain't nothing borderline about it.

[B52 SAC geezer]

Along with notifying the FBI and any other Federal Law Enforcement Agencies as already delineated above, I would recommend that the victim contact local authorities also, in particular the Sheriff's department and the local DA's office. Protection of family. Also, be sure to use the term, "Terroristic Threat" when communicating with them.

.

[gail]

I very much doubt if she intends to take any direct action against Jeff or his family, but I am seriously concerned that someone who fantasizes about violence towards and sexual acts with children might have access to real ones.

[adele]

Can anyone post a link to the thread that started this? I do not think it pardons the comments (AT ALL) but I would like to see it. Can't seem to find it on PW.

[Neil]

If a DJ on a rap station can be fired for those kind of threats, so can she.

[tim]

Wow. After reading that vile, disgusting hate I need a hot shower & a stiff one(or three).

[bruce]

One of my buds used to be a detective in the 'crimes against children' dept. of a major metro police force. From what I've gathered from our conversations while he had that horrible duty (dealing with the scum of the earth) this sort of garbage is not taken lightly by law enforcement whether it's 'I was just joking', or as a 'titfortat' or whatever...

If I were her attorney, I would suggest a 'channeling Sam Kennison' defense.

[Geepers]

deb says:

"Of course, you rightwing dingbats never look at what instigated an event"

That's your excuse for making repeated vile threats against someone's two-year old?

From a person who claims to teach psychology that is particularly lame.

"Thanks for the publicity, dude."

"I reiterate: If some nutcase kidnapped your child tomorrow and did to her what was done to your fellow Coloradan, Jon-Benet Ramsey, I wouldn’t give a damn." ~ Deborah Frisch

Oh you're getting plenty of publicity. I'm sure you'll enjoy every minute of it.

[secret asian man]

Beautiful.

Has anyone passed this on to any major right-wing talk shows yet?

[Jack]

Speaking as a city cop in Texas (and admittedly unfamiliar with AZ state law) I think Miss Frisch's comments best fall under harrassment, a fairly minor misdemeanor.

If I were investigating this, having read her comments, I would have to conclude that I do not see a threat, credible or otherwise.

The references to Jon Benet Ramsey, while certainly disgusting and quite possibly an indication of a deeply disturbed person, only contain the elements for a harrassment charge, and to be honest, just barely. And the local DA might deem this matter not serious enough to prosecute. Miss Frisch probably knows that that's unlikely to happen.

A reality check in the form of a criminal conviction along with even a short stay behind bars would certainly be poetic justice for Miss Frisch, but sadly, I doubt if that will happen.

[gail]

Jack, how do you think the authorities would react to the explicit sexualized references to the child?

[Stickwick Stapers]

Actually, Deb is listed on the department's website under Adjunct Faculty. I am a university instructor, myself, and I am concerned that this woman has contact with students. Someone in her position, without tenure, is disposable, and she may be viewed as more trouble than she's worth if she brings grief to the university and her department. Emails from a lot of folks to the provost, department head, and also to the dean (College of Social and Behavioral Sciences) might be effective.

Ironically, she would make an interesting subject of behavioral research, herself.

[Carin]

I read the previous threads (in PW), and nothing (against Deb) stood out as so terribly offensive. Pretty much the standard insults you find everywhere. If Deb is driven to making (disgusting) threats against a child in retaliation to blog heavy hitting, she needs to step away from the keyboard.

[Jack Voss]

I cant seem to access the site in question.

Whatever comments were aimed at you Deb, Dude, it doesn't really justify your's, especially concerning his child. This is really something I wouldn't expect to come from a Professor. Especially a professor of Psychology.

These people that made horrible comments to you were stupid, childish, and ignorant. Why would you want to act like them?

Now, I am confused, did Jeff make comments about Deb, or people on his comments section. IF it was other people, I definatly think she owes him way more then an apology.

[bruce]

I think Jack nailed the first offense probability... I searched around a bit and came across http://www.familyinternet.info/Statutes_Georgia.htm#Harrassment
which is the law in my state. The first offense is a misdemeanor but a second trip to the bench is where the sentencing possibilities become much more interesting.

Oh yeah… I feel that I should offer an apology to Sam Kennison.

[CraigC]

It was nothing more than the usual flame war. She's deeply disturbed. And even if there were any threats or whatever she said (there weren't), nothing justifies that level of insanity.

[senorlechero]

I agree with Scrapiron...............if someone made comments like that about my wife and child the person would not live to see tomorrow

[bruce]

Careful now guys...

If we're to be the adults in these turbulent times, we have to allow our legal system and law enforcement folks to address the perps...

On the other hand, if a person actually makes some move to fulfill a threat then it's clobbering time.

I can't believe I'm saying this... man I -must- be getting old!

[bill]

Soldier who served in Iraq tackled by fliers after bizarre incident

TAMPA, Fla. A frightening incident on a New York to Florida flight, where passengers tackled another flier they say rammed the cockpit door.
And it turns out the suspect is a U-S Army solider who served in Iraq.

This happened last night on a Delta flight to Tampa, where an airport spokeswoman says the soldier is in custody. Authorities are using a state law that lets them hold someone without charges if they pose a threat.

She says the soldier's brother told investigators he has mental problems related to his military service. But the spokeswoman adds there's no evidence he meant to harm anyone on the flight.

Still, one passenger describes the soldier as behaving oddly by tapping people on the shoulder and pointing to his tattoos. About five minutes before landing, he says the soldier got up and ran down the aisle like he was "in a track meet."

[Some Soldier's Mom]

if this woman SPOKE these words, I'm certain law enforcement would be involved...

If Jeff and his family are in fear for their safety (and jeez who wouldn't be?) there is legal recourse.. and I'd certainly block the moonbat from my site. A civil suit would shut this nutcase up. Hope she has family money... hehehehe sounds like she has some serious mental problems and is in dire need of treatment (perhaps confinement). no adult should need to "thank" the public for the "publicity" she is garnering for threatening (even indirectly) the life of a two year old and writing such sexually deviant things about a child.

[Doc]

Mizz Frisch, tall tree, short rope.
Some assembly required.

[Geepers]

senorlechero writes:

"if someone made comments like that about my wife and child the person would not live to see tomorrow"

Yes, which is most likely why the ever so smart Ms. Frisch used them.

She read in some psych book somewhere that threats against one's children were most likely to elicit an automatic visceral response. It's why she worked so hard to find out specifics about Jeff's children, so the threat would be personal.

Her intent could hardly be any more transparent.

[Nobody]

She was cut loose by the U of Oregon, already, and that was ten years ago. Still no tenure. There must be some quality control in the academy after all.

http://debfrisch.com/archives/cat_oregon.html (last two posts, in particular)

[Phil Smith]

Nobody threatened her. That's a complete fantasy. Anyone who is familiar with PW knows that Jeff and the commenters there can get a little rough at times, but the worst thing that happened was a little name calling. The majority of that wasn't even vulgar.

Nope, "deb" hasn't got even the completely specious out that she's claiming for herself.

[Darleen]

Jack

In CA her comments (IMO) fall under PC422, terrorist threats. If Jeff feels sufficiently threatened (and dragging his child in in an effort to get what she wants certainly ups the ante) I would hope it would get filed as a felony.

If for no other reason than to have her face a PC1382 placement hearing for competency.

I've been on most of the threads (I tracked down a pic of Deb and gave the link to Jeff with the advice of printing it out to give to the police) and she has been specifically asked to be "banned". When Jeff didn't do it, and we started IGNORING her or making fun of her, she ramped it up. Do NOT buy her "they started it first" stuff.

And this is not the first time she has gone beyond the pale with cyberstalking. She has done it on numerous sites.

She's a sick puppy.

[I hate pretend Marines]

Brilliant, USMC Steve, brilliant...threatening to shoot people you don't agree with.

You sound just like Deb Frisch.

Take your wet dream out of here, wannabe.

[Slublog]

Deb seems to want us to believe that her rhetoric in this instance was an oh-so-ironic way of criticizing her treatment.

Too bad she's got a blog. After reading through a few posts, it's clear her comments to Jeff Goldstein are not an anomaly at all. Here's what she had to say after the London subway bombings

"Islamofascists. I like it. Kissing cousins of christofascists like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and DeLay and judeofascists like Zackheim and Sharon.

I am not happy that more widows, widowers and amputees were created yesterday. I don't think the people riding the London subway yesterday morning deserved to be blown up because of the war crimes committed by George Bush and condoned by Tony Blair.

But I am glad that someone said phuque you to bush, blair and the other hombres who represent (sic) the G-8 nations."
(http://debfrisch.com/archives/2005/07/we_are_all_qaed_1.html)

Invective is her style, not her response to criticism.

[Phil Smith]

Well, the phone line at the psych dept is busy.

Outstanding.

[pfeh]

The only people who should be calling the U of Arizona right now are Jeff, his attorney, and hopefully, the police. All the facts and principles are on his side, and based on his erudite writing and logic, he can handle this one by himself.

Do you really think the AZ psych department is going to want to listen to a bunch of blog readers who have fcuk all to do with this case?

That kind of attention will help, not hurt Frisch. She'll be able to define herself as the "victim," especially if she can point to threats like some of the ones posted above.

[Jane]

"How low can you go" pretty much sums it up. Thats pathetic.

[Beth]

Jeff Goldstein allowed commenters on his blog to wrote graphic, threatening, disgusting, sexual, violent things about me.

That is a blatant LIE, and everyone knows it. You are clearly, CLEARLY delusional. There's no excusing the kind of comments you made about a CHILD, anyway, no matter what.

You are clearly, deeply mentally ill.

[Artbyruth]

A "doctor" that uses the word "dude"??

I am sorry, but can we really believe that this person is really a doctor at all??

I don't know about this........seems creepy.

[Rob B.]

While I doubt that Deb has the will or ability to actually harm Jeff's family, I don't see how you have the leeway to dismiss it out of hand. I'm sure that everyone thought that Macy and Bundy were just a little nutty but harmless until the facts came down.

While I'm not sure of the legality involved, I do agree with Gail that once you drag a sexualized comment regarding a child into it you've probably crossed past whatever reasonable explaination you might think could save you from recourse.

If your words can get you fired from work, I'm pretty sure that this is termination worthy.

If they can cause her legal issues, then I hope that they do.

You are totally allowed to call Jeff a "paste eater" or whatever the lefty term du joir is, but threats against children, even if she didn't mean it, need to be followed up on.

[troll_starver]

Since her ranting has been determined to be harassment by a knowledgeable law enforcement poster, I think the approach should follow the old netiquette adage:

Don't feed the trolls.

If she gets really obnoxious and in-your-face, like Phelps and his so-called church, then smartly-placed and personal ridicule should be effective.

[MJK]

I think her comments about the blogger's child is wrong and I agree that there are a lot of liberals that behave like that. These are people that claim tolerance and yet the things they say are very intollerant from Michael Moore to Churchill. Also, she wrote a piece in defense of Churchill: http://www.counterpunch.org/frisch02122005.html. Still, I agree that something should be done about her vitriolic language that depends on the context of the emails that Jeff sent and the whole of the conversation, as well if it was humor or if she was serious. There was that satirical song that a poster addressed earlier and if we are going to be fair in terms of free speech/humor than there should be a litmus test for everyone. Yet, if she just said one thing and retracted it as a joke that would be understandable, but the emails seem to be continuing from her and I would take those things seriously if there is a prolonged history of threats. Thence, I think what she was doing was harrassing him, but that is if his emails were just as "clean" from provocative language as well. I have not seen the emails from the other side, but that would help to make an objective response. In the end, her emails are harrassment and something should be done about that.

[red river]

BLOG-STALKER!!!!

[adele]

Mizz Frisch, tall tree, short rope.
Some assembly required.

Hey, Doc... What the heck?

[thebronze]

From her Blog:

"Given all the lies propagated by Geedubya Bush, Dick "sharpshooter" Cheney, Condi Rice and the oil industry's other puppets in war$hington, d.c., and given the fact that anyone with a quarter of a brain knows this war was about oil, not "spreddin' freedumb," shouldn't those bumper stickers on the butts of SUV's say "support our dupes?"

But don't question her patriotism...

[MJK]

In addition, I think the more people that complain about her than something will be done. The liberals work the same way by creating a large group and then piling upon some innocent person that disagrees with them. Look at what happened to Bush in 2004. There were books and movies from liberals that smeared him and yet he still got re-elected. Ann Coulter now is doing what the liberals do, which I think is what makes the liberals angry. Yet, the liberals are hypocrites for attacking Ann Coulter, because they do the same thing. Their main tactic is attack and yet they offer no solutions, but more problems. Can you imagine what would happen if liberals got into control of Congress in 2006............it would not be about the War on Terror or any legislative issues............it will be all about how to "hurt Bush." If they get into control of Congress it will become heavily partisan. In my opinion everything is balanced out at present, because the extremists in the left are not over-powering the more rational voices in Congress, but that would change if they ever got a hold of Congress in 2006? I can only imagine the bad things that will come out of the extremist liberals if they gain control over Congress in 2006.

[bluesky]

just a thought....wouldn't the student paper at u of a, just love a chance to bring this exchange to light? even young, idealistic, liberal leaning journalism majors don't like those who threaten children, and just as important to them.....this is pretty newsworthy on campus.

[Purple Avenger]

Sounds a lot like the lead up to a shakedown.

Yo Jeff, nice family you got there. It would be a real shame if something were to happen to them.

If some connected wiseguy said something like that, it would be a pretty damn credible threat of violence.

[Peggy]

No one with this last name is listed as a licensed psychologist at the website of the Arizona licensing board http://www.psychboard.az.gov/ If she has stated that she is a psyschologist (rather than saying she has a Ph.D. in Psyhcology or is a Psychology professor), she could be in violation of state law. In most states, you cannot legally refer to yourself as a psychologist unless you are licensed. Not having read her posts and comments myself, I do not know if she has done this. However, if she has represented herself as a psychologist, reporting her to the board of examiners is another step that should be taken. As someone who has a Ph.D. in psychology and is going through the licensure process (I'm not a psychologist), it greatly upsets me to see individuals like this giving the rest of us a bad name. If she is licensed as a psychologist in any state, this behavior should reported to the state she is licensed in. Either way, the Arizona board should be included in the contacts in addition to law enforcement and FBI.

[Jeff G]

When my site comes back up, I'll be happy to point you to Dr Debs introduction into the world of protein wisdom.

Her fantastical, revisionist story -- that she was harrassed and that she was simply trying to engage in a teachable moment in response -- is total hogwash. She was the aggressor. And when she was ignored or dismissed as a crank, she became even more irate and confrontational.

Evidently she thinks it a badge of honor to get herself banned from wingnut sites -- so much so that she assured me I'd ban her. But I thought she was doing a find job of making herself look foolish, unhinged, and irrational, so I told her I wasn't going to ban her. Of course, she was free to leave at any time.

One more thing: she keeps saying I "allowed" people to make comments about her; but I only "allowed" others' comments in the same way I "allowed" hers. I have an open comment policy. And nobody threatened her in any way that I'm aware of.

Just listen to her combative tone here. She can't help herself. As I noted in my post, she's nuttier than a Michael Moore Snickers dump.

She doesn't belong in front of students. And I will do my best to press that case with her bosses.

In fact, right now I really want to see her at a school cafeteria, wearing a hair net and doling out lumpy mashed potatoes to junior high kids who will point and sneer at her in her frumpy, shabby smock.

But maybe that'll pass.

[Just Passing Through]

I think that the best outcome would be that she does pay on the professional front. I don't think there's a strong case for criminal charges, although the discovery phase would bring home the seriousness of the matter to her employers if it initially escapes them. An intervention is needed here and whatever pressures can be brought to bear to see that accomplished is worth it. Initially taking the legal route might help force her compliance if nothing else.

I do find the silence from certain corners of the jackassery-based community telling. It was not that long ago that Dr Haggerty of the late and unlamented Metacomments blog and his crew spun a horrible sexual comment about his kid along the lines of one at least of Dr Frisch's into a tale of death threats against his family. Now that that is a very reasonable interpretation of Dr Frisch's comments about Jeff's kid, the silence is deafening.

[TomB]

Jeff, good to see your still around.

You'll do anything to keep that damn armadillo from dancing, won't you?

Anyway, if anyone still has doubts, I can verify that "deb's" first post was typical troll-bait (i.e. not making a point and general insults) and she got it back, in spades. Nothing particularly nasty, just some run of the mill troll slapping.

When Jeff refused to ban her, she became very irate, and then things got bad......

Look, there could be a slight chance that she took the responses to her post a little too personally, and then responded in an inappropriate way. HOWEVER, she has shown this behavior on numerous sites, so we can safely rule out any spur-of-the-moment reactions.

She's just that crazy.

[Darleen]

JeffG

IIRC the first thread Deb showed up was this one I found via google cache

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:8FpjXrGZ9PwJ:www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/20621/+deb+frisch+%22jeff+goldstein%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Please if anyone is interested you can scroll through the comments and see where Deb (posting as southwestpaw) comes in and starts flaming her first post. The reaction of the regulars...

Bemusement. As Deb gets ever more insulting, combo of bemusement, eye rolling, then bets each time she said was not going to return on WHEN she would.

No violence threatened, no vile vicious attacks.

Deb needs to be in a locked down ward on heavy meds before she really hurts someone.

I worry about AU students... they are exposed to her.

[Lisa Gilliam]

I wish Mr. Goldstein and his family the best,but,personally calling in law enforcement on this seems to be a waste of time,why should I wait until they come to protect my family?we have all witnessed stories about law enforcement being late to scenes of crimes and such.Nothing against them(the cops)but if my kid were threatened by this numbskull,I would crack her skull.

[Army Lawyer]

A couple of commentors have focused on Deb's political positions (vis a vis the 7/7/ bombings).

I recommend ignoring the political posts/statements she has made and focus on the threatening statements (and such past statements).

Also, Deb's statement below goes a long way to establishing her intent:

************I wanted to show the dingbat and his minions how it felt when someone crossed the line from fighting about words to making physical, disgusting comments. I guess I succeeded.********************

Admissions suck.

[Eric]

I am a classical liberal and a modern-day moderate. I am also gay, and, yes, it colors my politics.

What this woman has done, though, is beyond the pale, and her method of advancing her own ideas doesn't extend to liberals (modern-day, anyway or anyone!)in general. Ever.

I was just assaulted based on my sexual orientation, so I am a little sensetive to threats of any kind - those made in blogosphere or elsewhere.

I don't need a lecture about how all crimes are hate crimes. That argument, which I used to buy into, went away when I was assaulted.

I have watched enough Lifetime movies to know when crazy might come to your town and settle there.

Get. Her. Now.

[agent bedhead]

Geez. What a freaking sociopath!

[Jake]

An earlier commenter remarked that, "Well it's typical of college teachers these days to act like terrorist."

Actually, no, that's not typical behavior of college faculty. College faculty is typically folks who are less interested in political ilks or ideology than they are pursuing knowledge, fostering open inquiry and debate, and in helping others learn.

I'm sorry you're friend had a rotten experience. They're the exception to the norm, and using one anecdotal case to vilify an entire profession as terrorists is somewhere between daft and despicable.

[Dan Collins]

Eric--

I'm really sorry about the crap you've been through. No amount of ignorance or drunkeness excuses that. I don't mind that you're a liberal, either. If I were gay, I might have more temptation to think that so-called liberals expressed my concerns better than so-called conservatives.

And I appreciate it that you've got the integrity and the altruism to understand what a sick person this is. I personally hope that Deb Frisch gets the help that she so evidently needs, and if it takes Jeff pressing charges to get her that help . . . well, that's less than ideal, but a darned sight better than where she is now.
Best wishes,

[Michael in MI]

Jake - There are a lot more than just this "one anecdotal case" regarding moonbat college professors.

[Jane]

Me too Eric, sorry for all the crap you've been through.

I can't beleive Jeff is shut down. I've been so focused on the threats on his kid because thats so very mind blowing, the 2 DOS attacks didnt actually register, but that sux. When Turkish Islamists do it to Rusty, it sux but its part of the war of ideas. WTF is this on Jeff now? Petty partisanship? Prepubescent pique? Punkish pissants?

[Ymarsakar]

"Evidently she thinks it a badge of honor to get herself banned from wingnut sites -- so much so that she assured me I'd ban her. But I thought she was doing a find job of making herself look foolish, unhinged, and irrational, so I told her I wasn't going to ban her. Of course, she was free to leave at any time."

Jeff, that sounds amazingly like the modus operandi of the two agent provocateurs at Neo Neo Con's site. They go by the name neoneoconned and Confudefeigner.

Neo tried letting them post too with no censorship, that is up until they hijacked everything with their revisionist lies about how they were attacked while being just people trying to learn about neo conservatism...

The DDos attacks are more like some annoying version of amateur asymmetrical warfare, where nobody dies but everyone feels giddy for sticking it to the infidels or something or the other. Way to go internet jihad.

This "person" is hard to defend, but we all know the really dangerous psychopaths are the ones who appear quite normal in real life. They keep it all in. They are dangerous because their intellect is driving their psychopathy. Deborah? She's nothing but a tangled web of deception. Protect the eyes, and everything's okay. Deborah's certifiable, but I doubt she is truly dangerous. However, plan for the worst, expect the best.

[Chuck from Kansas]

See this...Much more about her.

www.debfrisch.com/

[malclave]

I had much the same idea as bluesky, above.

I was unable to see the comments made, so I don't think it appropriate for me to refer the item to the campus newspaper. If someone would like to, the page http://wildcat.arizona.edu/wildcatstaff/ states:

"Have a story concerning the University of Arizona or the campus area? Contact our News Editor, Laura Ory, at news@wildcat.arizona.edu or call her office phone at 520-621-3551 with the information."

[anonymous]

Jeff Goldstein:

A piece of unsolicited advice: I would strongly consider contacting a professional security organization such as Gavin De Becker and Associates to advise you on your response to Frisch's statements.

The fact that she's happy to sign her name to these vile statements -- which are threats in every sense of the word -- suggests that she's unafraid to cross lines, burn her bridges, and possibly commit some irreversible act. Consider also her blog entries, which reveal a deep-seated rage toward men, a necessity to transfer blame for the failings in her life to other parties, and a pronounced lack of friends or companions.

I am not a security professional, but it's my layman's opinion (and rough understanding of stalker behavior, gathered from reading De Becker's books) that she behaves like a dangerous stalker. She appears to be well aware of the negative consequences of her hate speech, and doesn't care. That worries me. Normal trolls don't behave like this one. They cover their tracks, and give themselves a way out. She hasn't.

Wishing you the best.

[Eric]

I agree with 'anonymous' in that she seems to be unhinged in that 'non-Michelle Malkin' way. And I work in academia!

[Karl]

At this point, I'd agree with Eric and anonymous -- her behavior does have points of commonality with some of the examples of potentially dangerous people given during the security seminar I had to attend at work.

[Ledger1]

I would guess a complaint to the FBI would be in order (but maybe Arizona state laws can handle it).

This person is not directly in Whois but is in GoDaddy:

http://debfrisch.com/

WHOIS information for debfrisch.com:
[whois.godaddy.com]
The data contained in GoDaddy.com, Inc.'s WhoIs database...

Registrant:
Deb Frisch

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: DEBFRISCH.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS27.1AND1.COM
NS28.1AND1.COM

For complete domain details go to:
http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=DEBFRISCH.COM

http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=debfrisch.com

[GoDaddy.com]

Registrant:
Deb Frisch
[Address removed by Blackfive]
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: DEBFRISCH.COM
Created on: 16-Jun-02
Expires on: 16-Jun-07
Last Updated on: 26-Jun-05

Administrative Contact:
Frisch, Deb dfrisch@pobox.com
[Address removed by Blackfive]
United States
5415551212

Technical Contact:
Frisch, Deb dfrisch@pobox.com
[Address removed by Blackfive]
United States
5415551212

Domain servers in listed order:
NS27.1AND1.COM
NS28.1AND1.COM

Registry Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited

[Casey Tompkins]

Crist on a crutch!

"anonymous," I respectfully request you back up your claims of expertise with facts, or withdraw your moronic, amateurish post. But then, I doubt a professional would make such outrageous remarks based on one person's ill-advised blog rantings.

If you want the face of a true professional, look no further than Jack (city cop from Texas) above.

As an exercise in reading comprehension, it should be obvious the silly bitch didn't threaten Jeff nor his son. That is, she never said she intended to kill or hurt them, assist anyone else, or even express hope such an event would happen. What she did do was say that -given something "bad" happened- she wouldn't feel bad.

Now work with me here, people. That's not a threat. It's sick, perverse, and (nearly incomprehensibly) inhumane, but it's not a threat. Hell, it's not even a hope, nor aspiration. What it is, is 200-proof pure trolling of the most perverse sort. This "deb" mutant wanted to start a shitstorm, and y'all obliged her.

I understand, up to a point. She is either a)a sick, twisted puppy who really wouldn't mind hearing that Jeff and his boy were hurt, or b)relatively normal, but doesn't seem to mind maintaining the appearance of a sick, twisted puppy in public.

Either way she's damaged goods. Myself, for example; I couldn't see my way to posing as some sort of child-molester even as troll. There are some things you just don't do.

I say Jack and Froggy have the right idea. Be sane, follow the law, and express your opinion to U of AZ. Also, mercilessly (and objectively) publicize her statements, and record who defends them. Then, publicize those comments as well.

Just let the sun shine on the mold, folks...

[Merovign]

"Fishing" - an investigative tactic where a search or supbeona is made looking for information about alleged crime without an immediate cause - similar to a "bill of attainder" (a law directed at a person rather than a behavior) in that the person, rather than an action, is the target.

"Frisching" - an investigative tactic where a crime is committed by the investigator in hopes of provoking a criminal response on the part of the target - a form of "libel kamikaze" attack or "statutory suicide bombing." Similar to a "sting" operation, in that a crime is solicited and/or committed to attempt to create a chargeable offense. Also similar to the passive-aggressive tactic used by some political and national entities that habitually perform an attack and then publicly decry the response as "aggression." At its simplest, a form of hypocrisy.

(This is, of course, pending positive ID of Deborah Frisch as the poster in question, but that case looks pretty airtight at this point.)

[Merovign]

Just in case someone misunderstands me, I'm not accusing Debbie Does Dementia of being a criminal mastermind or anything. Her primary offense seems to be harassment, more than one case it seems (though the nature of the Net makes this one a little blurry), and being a wacked-out crazy freak.

I doubt this rises to the level some have suggested, though a lot of publicity and a measured amount of ostracism and unemployment would seem to be in order.

Though, Jeff, I have to say I'm opposed to her being in contact with impressionable young minds, even serving reconstituted powdered mashed potato substitute with "brown sauce."

[SFC D]

Thank God I'm deployed and not at home in AZ. You would be posting my arrest report here and discussing it. It takes a real genius to resort to threats against a child. My hope is that the U of A wakes up and takes action against this miserable excuse of an educator.

[Michael Andreyakovich]

Just submitted this to Urban Dictionary:

"FRISCH: To invalidate your position in an online debate by making thinly veiled threats against the life or sexual dignity of your opponent, their spouse or their child."

[Ledger1]

Hum, I see Frish’s phone number is 541 555-1212. If I am not mistaken that's just the phone number for local directory assistance (not her real phone number). I wonder how legal this is.

"Administrative Contact:
Frisch, Deb dfrisch@pobox.com
[Address removed by Blackfive]
United States
5415551212"

[Pixy Misa]

When Turkish Islamists do it to Rusty, it sux but its part of the war of ideas. WTF is this on Jeff now? Petty partisanship? Prepubescent pique? Punkish pissants?

Judging by what I could see, it's a different sort of DOS attack to the one that took out the Jawa Report. More like a Slashdotting. His server was still alive, but was so overloaded that it never managed to produce the web page. I've had to deal with quite a number of such attacks; it's time-consuming, but they're not very sophisticated or broad-based, and you can stop them with a bit of work.

Right now though he's completely off the air. Either the admins at his hosting company blocked the site to protect the rest of their users, or it escalated into a full-blown DDOS like the one aimed at Rusty. When you get one of those, the server itself collapses in a heap, and you have to get the network techs involved. (Rusty was down for over a week because I had to get a new, specially-configured server set up for him. So far, so good on that front.)

On the Frisch front: Yeah, she wasn't making direct threats, just being unspeakably vile in general. And lying a lot. Considering her academic position, she must be either a complete idiot or crazy.

[ahem]

Let's not get carried away here. I'm confident Jeff is taking care of Deb himself. He's been pouring his own shots of tequila since he was 27. He can handle it.

The thing that's being overlooked here is the nature of the DOS attack, which I feel pretty certain is coming from the direction of the Sadlyno/Thersites crowd. Sadlyno also google-bombed him recently and wrote this egregious hit-piece on him--an obsessive hit-piece, I might add--in honor of Thersites. Thersites is an idiot professor from a second-tier university who's gotten into it with Jeff recently. I'd link to it, but it has graphic bestiality. The author is a guy calling himself Retardo Montalban, a semi-literate, self-styled student from yet another second- or third-tier university in the south.

Anyway, the joint's crawling with sick, giggling wierdos who really ought to be drowned in the toilet if only to put them oput of their misery. But Jeff knows about them.

[Anna Venger]

Deb's comments are beyond vile. Just sickening. I don't care what was said about her initially; you don't threaten children. The fact that she is a psychology professor is especially disturbing. (Interesting suggestion about her being Borderline, a mental illness, her being a psych professor and all.)

We recently had a problem in my home state in which a couple of bloggers had heated discussions and the anonymous conservative blogger was outed and forced out of the blogosphere. The hatred out there is real. I just cannot wrap my mind around it.

[Just Passing Through]

Retardo Montalban and Thersites are vulgar, pompous poseurs but they themselves wouldn't be up to this. Google bombing or sending waves of likeminded clowns to troll a site yes, coordinating a DoS, no. Retardo's site attracts more jackasses than Thersites old site did but they and the majority of their commenters are just annoying ankle biters.

It may be that some reader in the minority is capable and vindictive enough to mount a DoS, but it'd be on his or her own and not something they can openly brag about like google bombing or mass trolling. That type is out there and given the jackassery-based community's response there would be plenty to egg him/her on.*

* For example, the response from a complete nutcase who is a regular at Atrios' asylum to a poster pointing out Frisch's behavior was to incredulously ask 'You're defending Goldstein?" or something to that effect. Go figure.

[Sgt S. Humphrey]

Just tried to read the articles in question, my connection was refused on both links. Could this be the doing of the FEEBS?? Or is this twit so swamped with hate mail that her site shut down. Gee I've got a great idea lets send her more . I'm a soldier, 1st rule ( of mine) NO WOMEN, NO CHILDREN!!! Everything else is fair game. After 28 months in Iraq I've had to amend that rule, much to my chagrin, NO WOMEN, NO CHILDREN unless they are pointing a weapon in your direction with intent. I'm still having nightmares, still can't sleep and still a Soldier.

[ahem]

Sergeant Humphrey: Thanks for your service.

[Lattedatter]

I googled and found a picture of Deb and her partner in news article about partner...also a professor at UA..they are pictured in their kitchen with a girl child in nightgown also in picture. I am concerned that there is a child in the house.

[ahem]

JPT: Yes, that's possible. My knowledge of DOS's is, admittedly, slim; however, you can never tell with ankle-biters. Some of them may actually be able to read. Whoever would spport her, though, would be a totally irrational freak. One of the biggest belly laughs I've had recently was reading through one of Deb's skirmishes over at the liberal Crooked Timber. The moderator wrote that it was first in history; he was being trolled from the left!

[FASTAC 6]

Snap diagnosis:
Middle-aged hippie lesbian(not that there's anything wrong with that), overweight, heavy mustache(r/o hormonal imbalance?); attacks on Jeff and his wife because she(Deb) could never get a woman as attractive as Jeff's wife.

Hope Deb isn't Jewish- don't think I could stand the embarrassment.

cross-posted to LGF

[Pat McNiff]

Dear Pat,

I have resigned from my job at the University of Arizona. Also, my blog and comments on Jeff Goldstein's blog have absolutely nothing to do with the University of Arizona. I prefer to have all blog-related correspondence at my other email address – dfrisch@pobox.com.

Thanks,

Deborah Frisch

[Bruce Rheinstein]

troll_starver has it exactly right. Leave this to Jeff, his attorney, and law enforcement. There's no need to give a deranged commentor undue publicity or to attempt to attribute her actions to the angry Left.

Some of the comments on this thread, such as posting Frisch's phone number, are a disgrace.

[bruce]

I'd like to know what comes from this being reported to the law enforcement entities.

I hope someone is able to track the progress of this and post a summary or a link to a summary here when the updates are available.

The internet threat issue, nuanced as it may be in this case will be an interesting legal issue to watch unfold. Will it be blown off? Will a law enforcement officer or an officer of the court have some face to face time with this individual ending in a warning? Or will it be investigated and sent to a DA for (probably just) a misdemeanor prosecution/plea? Will the misdemeanor charge become a felony charge (Arizona jurisdiction or Fed since it’s on the internet?) if she has a –history- with law enforcement for this sort of behavior?

What will happen to this individual with regard to teaching young minds at University?

As someone mentioned earlier and I’m reasonably confident Jack and most other law enforcement pro’s will agree, you can not expect law enforcement to be able to protect you. There are just too many of –us- too few of –them-. Like the Homeland security folks are always saying, all the bad guys have to do is succeed once. Having a good self-defense capability, consisting of knowledge, planning, and training is your best bet.

Lock n load there be dragons on that side of the map mate.

[Minty Fresh]

The comments by "Deb" are repulsive. I recall a similar repulsive comment about a two year old posted on Thersites' old blog. At that time, Jeff G and his band of flying monkeys jumped to the conclusion that somehow Thersites had posted the comment himself. I'm surprised that no one has considered the idea that this "Deb" posted the comment.

[tinselhat]

Frisch is one twisted piece of work.
Posting last year as "lefty" (dfrisch@pobox.com) she writes, http://www.steveverdon.com/archives/oddsandends/002075.html

"...I've never encountered someone in the blogoshere that I knew was a right wing christian capitalist before. And I think this guys a closeted homosexual, to boot. So he's about as low in my pecking order as a person could be."

When called on it, she responds,

"...Read much, Dave? And the only reason I cared about the birdbrain's sexual orientation is that he's a bloated, republican, catholic windbag. Trust me, I don't care one iota about your s.o., since you are not a big enough presence in the blogosphere to be worth taking shots at."

So we have a person, a teacher no less, desperately & dangerously ratcheting up the vitriol in a wretched effort to be noticed "taking shots" at "big enough presences in the blogosphere".

A contemptible example of an educator.

[Jeff G]

My host still can't get me up and running. So I'm getting a new host. Could be a few days before I'm back online.

Whereas, if its any consolation, Deb Frisch will be a crazy, lying, and unemployable beast for the rest of her life. Hopefully in a hair net.

Ah. Soothing, soothing perspective!

[Dom]

What an obscene woman. She seems to think she can talk down to and slag off people she disagrees with in the hope of bullying them, let alone the vileness of her comments about Jeff Goldstein's child. Life can be tough but when you go into such a rabid overdrive, psychology professor, you might like to cast your mind over your own history of resentments and see if this kind of discourse is any exception. Not that it makes a difference to Jeff, but at least the next time she speaks it might be with diplomatic wisdom and, dare I say, basic integrity. I am used to arrogance from the hard left against the centre-right, but for this lady humility is very much in order. Really obscene, and I think, without an apology, that the comments are indefensible for a responsible professional, but that partisans for her line of argument may well take the time to rationalise and justify her poison.

[FASTAC 6]

Deb Frisch is now screening comments on her blog.

[gabriel sutherland]

Time to let this one go folks. Deb has apologized to Jeff. She has lost her job. She admits fault. Move on.

[Just Passing Through]

Minty Fresh said:

'The comments by "Deb" are repulsive.'

Interesting that you put her name in quotes as if there is some reason to doubt the commenter was her. And of further interest that you do so again in reference to the comment at Thersites old site, Metacomments. Your agenda isn't hard to read.

Since the comment, context, and followup posts and comments at Metacomments disapeared with the site, Dr Haggerty thinks he can revise the narrative. To make that work, the other side of the narrative would also need revision, Unfortunately for both your agendas, it still stands as the original posts and comments at Protein Wisdom and out of Haggerty's control.

The big difference (outside the fact that Frisch brought in mentions of violence on top of sexual references) was that Haggerty was in a dialogue with someone where both sides were heated and vulgar. Haggerty thought of a cute way to call the other person stupid and used his own daughter as a foil to set it up. The other cretin responded way over the top with the sexual innuendo. In Jeff's case, Frisch wasn't achieving her goal of being banned and kept ramping it up without being directly goaded by Jeff. She tried one method after another to force the issue. And finally went way the hell over the top. And a lot further over the top than the cretin at Metacomments ever did.

[Darleen]

Minty Fresh

Re: the comment about Thirsty's child

Number 1: It was on Thirsty's blog AND when Jeff was made aware of it he OFFERED THIRSTY HIS HELP in tracking the commenter. Thirsty refused to give Jeff the IP address of the poster (who never posted again) and continues, to this day to blame JEFF or one of his regular commenters of being the perp.

Doesn't that strike you as just a tad odd??

Jeff also specifically stated that he would not go directly to AU until he was sure someone wasn't spoofing Deb .... whereupon we all put on our detective hats and came up with reams of crap on crackers li'l Deb has left all over the net for several years.

Get it now?

[Bostonian]

Gabriel,
When did this woman apologize? Someone posted an apology supposedly on her behalf, without explanation. Is that the apology you mean?

Besides, apology or not, she could very well be a threat. I've read Gavin de Becker, too, and this woman sounds like an actual possible threat. An apology does not change that.

[shawn]

There is more going on here for her to resign her position so quickly. She's not even in Arizona at the moment.

[Darleen]

Gabe

I believe Deb needs professional evaluation. She went beyond normal reasonable bounds. The only way she is going to get it is having it ordered by a judge (did her apology include a promise to get into therapy??)

Accepting an apology and "moving on" just allows her to come back and repeat this pattern with another blogger she sets her eyes on.

And maybe this time she'll be undercover and the consequences greater.

Color me a pessimist, but I've worked at a DA office for 8 years and I don't take anything for granted anymore.

[Jez]

It seems to me that she's not just broken the University's rules, but also those of the American Psychologist Association.

She will be a member of the APA and have to adhere to its Ethics Guidelines. If there has been a breach, the APA would take it very seriously, possibly striking her off its register.

[Just Passing Through]

Her apology posted on her blog. Since PW is still down, I'll beg Froggy's indulgence in making it a permanent record here. It could well disappear from Frisch's blog, http://debfrisch.com/, as the comment thread is decidedly against her tone and spin in the post and evidently some comments have been deleted already.

Off Frisch's blog on July 8th, 2006.

"white flag

I wrote some inflammatory comments at a blog by a guy named Jeff Goldstein called protein wisdom that infuriated many bloggers and commenters. Many of these bloggers emailed my boss at the University of Arizona to tell on me.

In hindsight, the things I wrote were over the line of nastiness. I apologize to Mr. Goldstein.

I have resigned from the University of Arizona so there is no need for other enraged people to write to administrators there.

Some blogs have posted comments that I perceive to be physically threatening. I have contacted the FBI and the Pajamas Media staff to determine how to proceed with this aspect of this unbelievable experience.

My intention in this post is to de-escalate the situation. The comments that started this all were nasty, not threatening. But I feel very threatened by the response.

Jeff - I lost my job. You won. Could you call off the troops?"

There are obvious elements in her post that indicate that she is in denial still about her instigation, escalation, and ultimately actionable role in what happened.

[Damian P.]

Frisch has admitted making the threatening comments (but not the DOS attacks) on her blog. She has also resigned from the university:

http://debfrisch.com/archives/2006/07/white_flag.html

[Ymarsakar]

This is why the Left bans guns. If I was the Left and I had people like Deb voting for the power brokers in the Left, I'd disarm them too. Can't trust em.

[Price Smith]

Here is a contact for another source that may well enjoy hearing about Deborah Frisch(The campus newspaper}:

"Have a story concerning the University of Arizona or the campus area?

Contact our News Editor, Lisa Rich, at news@wildcat.arizona.edu"

I've dropped them a note so hopefully they will follow up on the story.

[Jeff G]

Oh, and Minty Fresh? I never said any such thing about Thersites being responsible for the comment about his kid.

In fact, I condemned the comment immediately when he emailed me and asked me to. For my trouble, Thersites then wrote a post suggesting publicly the commenter probably came from my site. When I asked him to provide me with the IP address (which I told him I would check against the IP addresses of my commenters), he demurred. But rest assured: Had it been one of my commenters, I would have happily exposed that person to the ridicule he or she deserved.

If one of my commenters floated the idea Thersites posted the comment himself to garner sympathy, well, that's that commenter's opinion. I never personally thought that to be the case, and I never said any such thing.

So let's try to keep things straight.

[shawn]

She's not a psychologist. She teaches psychohlogy. Big difference. And frankly, she's doesn't appear to be any nuttier than most faculty on campus these days.

[Patrick]

I still think it's an unloved sibling or offspring posting on her behalf to get back at her. Surely someone as batshit crazy couldn't be in academe, right?

[Minty Fresh]

I put Deb in quotes because at the time there was still doubt that the person posting the offensive remarks was actually Deb Frisch. At least one person had suggested that the poster could have been someone trying to discredit Deb Frisch. Now that the issue is resolved, I am referring to her without the quotes. That was my secret agenda.

The blog Metacomments was on Blogger. Thersites had no help from them trying to get the IP address. I don't see why this became proof of his mendacity.

If I remember correctly, the offensive post on Metacomments was something about Thersites' child's "mouth being real purty." Which strikes me as remarkably similar to the comments that Deb left on Jeff G's blog.

[PoliTech]

Her problem is that she seems to have forgot that she was "arguing" in public.

How would she have behaved if she had actually been in front of the folks she was interacting with? If we were all in a park arguing, her dropping trou and mooning the crowd (including any youngsters) would be seen as inappropriate and excessive by most everyone present, regardless of which side of the argument those present were on.

Her posts at PW were just as inappropriate and excessive as the example above, and she should be just as embarrassed by them.

Hopefully, for her sake, she may have learned something from this experience and will have come to understand that with free speech comes accountability.

On the internet it is OUR own responsibility to keep our part in internet discourse civil and not let the perception of anonymity blind any of us to the fact that excessive hyperbole can and does lead to unpleasant circumstances.

Regarding her wish for this all to just “Go Away” … Unless she PUBLICLY calls off the DDoS dogs that she seems to have set on PW, this prolly won't go away any time soon.

Until the attack is halted her name and reputation will be ever more sullied.

Is this how she pictured her “fifteen minutes” of fame?

I think not.

[Ryan]

Has anyone contacted the local FBI office, sherrif's department or other law enforcement officials?

I'm no lawyer, but threating a 2 year old child appears to be to be assalt. As citizens, it's our duty to report this.

Maybe someone should google the contact info for her local police departent and file a report.

ALSO: Maybe someone should report this to her local media, including the university newspaper, local TV and radio stations and her local city newspaper. You can usually find the correct contacts for the editors at their sites. Nothing like a little light to scare away cockroaches.

[amyc]

Did somebody already post that this woman apparently runs an institute at the NSF?

http://www.decadeofbehavior.org/fundsource/fdn_page.cfm?FdnNum=171&NSFBack=yes&Start=1"

[Sean]

So she's now resigned her position at UA. Great. I'm reading the sanctimonious posts here and elsewhere, and am getting douche-chills over both Frisch's nastiness, and the reaction.

Here's a question: how many of you own Anne Coulter's most recent book? She makes comments of the same ilk against liberals. Burn her tripe, if you're so self righteous about Frisch. I refused to own anything by her, she's so nasty. Her chapter on the 911 widows is a prime example of this same crap from the right.

We need to dial down the dialog here.

[Curt]

Being a cop in California I can tell you that Criminal Threats, 422PC, is thrown around a lot by those wanting to get back at their enemies (ie ex-friends, ex-boy/girlfriends, ex-spouses, ex-family...etc) but is quite hard to prosecute. The victim needs to feel threatened and to believe the suspect is capable of harming them. Most of the time they do not feel this way, proven by their actions. Someone who is truly fearful will take measures to protect themselves, ie moving for a short period, changing driving habits, and so forth...all that stuff needs to be proven in court.

While this vile woman needs to pointed out, especially since she works at a University teaching our youth, prosecuting her would be quite difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

[Vanderleun]

I guess I missed the part where Coulter calls for child abuse. Have to buy another copy and reread.

[Just Passing Through]

Wasn't quite the tone or content of the comment on Metacomments, but beside the point. The comments made by the cretin up to and including the final one and Frisch's comments on PW were completely different in writing style. There were enough comments on both Metacomments and PW to get that sense.

If I recall correclt, the suggestion bandied about a couple of times that Haggerty himself wrote the comment on his site came from the observation that he himself reproduced it in another post out of context. Not indictaive of anything, but it did give rise to some half-serious speculation. It was Haggerty's side that also ran with the speculations and they too have entered Haggerty's narrative of victimhood.

Don't get me wrong. Haggerty had and has every right to be angry about the comment made on his site. But there are important differences.

One is that unlike Jeff, Haggerty set the stage for the comment. It doesn't make him responsible for the reaction, but should have give him and every other blogger pause. I think bloggers make a mistake ever mentioning family on their blogs, and that includes Jeff.

Two is that no references to violence were made in relation to Haggerty's daughter in the ONE sexually explicit comment made. He has subsequently framed the narrative as one of death threats to his family because it plays well with his peanut gallery. In Jeff's case, multiple comments were made where references to violence and death were explicit along with sexual ones. Even if the argument is made that the comments fell just short ever becoming direct threats of personal actions against his family, the two situations are not close to equivalent.

[Darleen]

Curt

I work in a DA office. The vic doesn't HAVE to move to prove they are sincere in thinking the person making threats is serious.

And the vast majority of PC422 is pled out, because most of the time, even the vics want to see the perp get help.

A lot depends on how seriously the issuing DDA is and how serious the cop who wrote the report is about the threats.

I think Debs YEARS LONG track record in stalking ups the ante in this not being an isolated instance that we can all blow off.

[Debra Beller]

I won't believe that she's "resigned" or been fired from the Univ of Arizona until I see official confirmation from the university. As an above poster noted, this seems to have occurred all too quickly, given the fact that Ward Churchill's still at the Univ. of Colorado. Plus, she claims to be at a hippie convention in Eugene, OR at this very moment. Something doesn't add up. Her claim to have resigned her post is almost certainly an effort to stop the bleeding. There is no reason to turn the pressure down until an official confirmation can made. Figuratively speaking, the coffin needs to be checked before she can be declared dead.

[HerrRove]

Herr Rove here. So happy to see my mindless minions defending Goldstien. Stay on the attack Orcs. Let truth be trampled, packaged, sold, defiled. Only we, the white chosen elite, shall attack with slanderous intentions, mindless character assassinations, faux religious indignation. Keep up the Leader Guy's campaign of fear and hatred. I, Herr Rove, will tell you what to say and when to say it. Truth matters not. The destruction of America matters not. One story, one message, one mind. Fear and hatred! Spread it everywhere. The Republican Jesus of the Great Religious Cultural Revolution approves! On to Iran!!
Let the Republican Jihad explode upon the world!