Deserter Flees to Canada

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This article in the Fayetteville Observer (sent to me by Scott) is about a deserter from the 82nd Airborne. At first, I was upset by it, but, as I read the article, I realized that this guy is crazy and (sorry my Canadian friends) he should leave the USA.

Quaker Deserts As Unit Deploys
By Julia Oliver

Jeremy Hinzman fled to Canada with his wife, Nga Nguyen, and their son, Liam, in January.
Jeremy Hinzman said he could barely stomach chanting "kill we will" during basic training and, as a Quaker, he didn't want to shoot anybody. But it was the thought of serving U.S. interests in Iraq that made the 82nd Airborne Division specialist flee to Canada last month.

"I would have felt no different than a private in the German Army during World War II," he said by phone from Toronto, where he is seeking refugee status.

Hinzman, 25, who was a member of the 2nd Battalion of the 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, is subject to prosecution as a deserter if he is caught within U.S. borders.

His name will go on a national database that law enforcement officers can access, said Sgt. Pam Smith, a spokeswoman for the 82nd Airborne. He can be arrested, but the Army won't go looking for him, she said.

"We don't have time to go and track down people who go AWOL," she said. "We're fighting a war."

Hinzman, who grew up in Rapid City, S.D., joined the Army in January 2001. The socialist structure of the military appealed to him, he said. He liked the subsidized housing and groceries and, at the end of his service, the money for college.

I find this hilarious - 'the socialist structure of the military appealed to him' - socialist structure? BwaHaHa!

Sorry, I digress. There is a lot of terms that I would label the military with (and some not so kind), but 'socialist' is definitely not on the list. Not even in the same language.

This is a case of someone joining the Army for the wrong reasons. Hinzman should stay in Canada. After all, he likes socialist structures. But I would suggest that someone find his recruiter and have a "talk" about Army values.

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"It seemed like a good financial decision," he said. And, he said, "I had a romantic vision of what the Army was."

But from the beginning, basic training bothered him. He said he was horrified by the chanting about blood and killing during marches, by the shooting at targets without faces and by what he called the dehumanization of the enemy.

"It's like watching some kind of scary movie, except I was in it," he said. "People would just walk around saying things like, 'Oh, I want to kill somebody.'"

He felt that the prospect of killing should be taken more seriously and that soldiers should not talk about death in such a cavalier way, he said.

In August 2002, Hinzman turned in his first application to be a conscientious objector. He wanted to fulfill his service obligation, he said, but he didn't want to participate in combat. He wrote a six-page explanation of his beliefs, but the Army told him it was lost.

"I was informed three months later that it was never received," he said. Last fall, while doing clerical work, he was given a file that included that application.

By the time Hinzman applied again at the end of October, his unit was on track to go to Afghanistan. He deployed in December, and the application was pending.

"I didn't mind being deployed. I just didn't want to shoot anybody," he said.

Not allowed to go on patrol, he worked as a dishwasher, often 15 hours a day and, for the first few months, without a day off. He said his unit didn't get into any major combat.

While he was in Afghanistan, his application for conscientious objector status was evaluated and denied, he said. Hinzman said he thinks one question - Would he defend his unit if attacked? - destroyed his chances. He said he answered yes, reasoning that he had no choice if he was forced to carry a gun.

"I was a little bit too honest, I guess," he said.

In July, he returned to Fayetteville, and to his wife, Nga Nguyen, and their 14-month-old son, Liam.

"My son, of course, was a little bit shy about seeing me, but that went away after a few hours," he said.

He and Nguyen figured it was only a matter of time before his unit would go to Iraq. He said he felt the war there was unjust and was being fought over oil interests.

"Had we, say, gone to war with North Korea or someone that was an imminent threat, I would have gone along with it," he said. "I signed up to defend our country, not be a pawn in some sort of political ideology."

He began to think about his options. And about what he might have to do if he went to Iraq.

On Dec. 20, Hinzman found out that his unit would be deployed. And on Jan. 2, he packed his family into his car for the 18-hour drive to Canada. The three left at night, on the Friday of a four-day weekend. Hinzman's absence wasn't noticed until that Monday; he wasn't declared AWOL until the following day.

Through his philosophical objections to the Army, Hinzman has received much support from Quakers in Fayetteville and Toronto. He has always been interested in Buddhism, he said, but joined the Friends Meeting after he moved to Fayetteville and couldn't find a place to worship in the Buddhist faith.

"The Quaker's mode of worship was closest to meditation because it's silent," he said. In Toronto, the Quakers took Hinzman and his family in while they looked for an apartment, he said.

Ann Ashford, recording clerk at the Fayetteville Friends Meeting, said Hinzman and his wife were faithful attendees of the meetings. She said the community supports Hinzman, but no one at the meeting knew he was planning to desert.

"We're all very concerned about him," she said.

Ashford said Hinzman spoke with Chuck Fager, executive director of the Quaker House, a related organization that counsels soldiers who are seeking discharge from the military. Fager could not be reached Wednesday but has said in an e-mail that calls to the organization's hot line from service members and their families last year reached a record total of 6,187, up by 50 percent from the year before.

According to the Toronto Globe and Mail, Hinzman is believed to be the first U.S. soldier filing for refugee status in Canada for refusing duty in Iraq. During the Vietnam War, an estimated 30,000 Americans sought refuge in Canada to avoid compulsory military service.

Hinzman's chances of receiving refugee status are statistically slim: According to Canada's Immigration and Refugee Board, none of the 268 American applicants last year was accepted. But people who are denied refugee status are not automatically deported; they may be granted permission to stay in Canada under other provisions, said Charles Hawkins, a spokesman for the board.

Hinzman knows that the decision will take awhile.

"It's a big drawn-out process," he said.

He said that the hardest part has been leaving the people in his unit, which is still in Iraq.

"I didn't do this out of animosity toward them," he said, "but toward the situation we were in."

Well, Hinzman, imagine what the people in your unit think of you. It was hard leaving them? They are probably dissappointed in you as a soldier but are probably relieved to have you desert. In a time when everyone depends on each other for survival, your kind has no place in the 82nd. I know I wouldn't want your sorry ass next to me in a foxhole or on patrol.

At least you have the 'Professional Dishwasher' career going for you.

It's harder being true to your word. Years from now, your fellow soldiers will be able to look themselves in the eye when they look in the mirror. Good luck doing that.

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Deserter Flees to Canada

This article in the Fayetteville Observer (sent to me by Scott) is about a deserter from the 82nd Airborne. At first, I was upset by it, but, as I read the article, I realized that this guy is crazy and (sorry my Canadian friends) he should leave the USA.

Quaker Deserts As Unit Deploys
By Julia Oliver

Jeremy Hinzman fled to Canada with his wife, Nga Nguyen, and their son, Liam, in January.
Jeremy Hinzman said he could barely stomach chanting "kill we will" during basic training and, as a Quaker, he didn't want to shoot anybody. But it was the thought of serving U.S. interests in Iraq that made the 82nd Airborne Division specialist flee to Canada last month.

"I would have felt no different than a private in the German Army during World War II," he said by phone from Toronto, where he is seeking refugee status.

Hinzman, 25, who was a member of the 2nd Battalion of the 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, is subject to prosecution as a deserter if he is caught within U.S. borders.

His name will go on a national database that law enforcement officers can access, said Sgt. Pam Smith, a spokeswoman for the 82nd Airborne. He can be arrested, but the Army won't go looking for him, she said.

"We don't have time to go and track down people who go AWOL," she said. "We're fighting a war."

Hinzman, who grew up in Rapid City, S.D., joined the Army in January 2001. The socialist structure of the military appealed to him, he said. He liked the subsidized housing and groceries and, at the end of his service, the money for college.

I find this hilarious - 'the socialist structure of the military appealed to him' - socialist structure? BwaHaHa!

Sorry, I digress. There is a lot of terms that I would label the military with (and some not so kind), but 'socialist' is definitely not on the list. Not even in the same language.

This is a case of someone joining the Army for the wrong reasons. Hinzman should stay in Canada. After all, he likes socialist structures. But I would suggest that someone find his recruiter and have a "talk" about Army values.

There's more. Read on:

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